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« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2009, 05:26:38 AM »
Nice bass playing Keavin!!!
 
 
Same bass, different player:
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-yS7z9Qdw&feature=PlayList&p=FCB657DAB6F67920&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XKr_6MzZTw
 
 
can you hear the difference? ;-)

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« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2009, 09:03:38 AM »
#12, 100% agree. It is the player.
 
Question to you #12:
 
Which bass did you use on the recording (you just sent)?

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« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2009, 09:53:13 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2009, 10:04:13 AM »
Twas lettin my (Low B string Rattle) While i was doin my lixx!!!
 
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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2009, 10:07:44 AM »
I've never had any trouble getting the nasal, cutting Jaco sound out of my SCSS.  Roll the pan to about 7/8 bridge pickup, set the filter at 7:30 to 8:00 o'clock (as viewed from the front of the bass) and hit the Q switch.  My natural playing position is plucking quite close to the bridge and that probably has something to do with it.
 
There's a bit more fundamental than with my FOJ (Tokai) Jazz, but the similarity is striking.  Usually I go for the big clean Alembic sound, but there are times I need that quack and my Alembic is more than up to the task.

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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2009, 08:49:00 AM »
I've been interested to see a somewhat common choice of other brands as I've perused the photos throughout the club. The sound quest that most of us have journeyed on finds a kindred link in Guild Starfires and G&L....  
My own journey went from a Starfire through Leo's creations P to J to Stingray to L-1000 to ASAT to Alembic. I've never sold the Starfire and have never sold my '80 L-1000. I love a fat backround but must have a high slice of definition and gave up fenders for that slice of my plastic knob Stingray to give that up to G&L as the fullness and slice combination got better. Maybe it was my early exposure to the Alembic sound, when I first played the S1 that I now own back in 1976, that left me searching for the perfect pallet. The quest has led me back to 1976 now that my pocket can cope with my desire.

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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2009, 08:34:37 PM »
For me the biggest thing I've noticed with bolt-on basses is the dead E-string; you can dull down the electronics of an Alembic but the evenness of tone string-to-string will always stick out...some bolt-ons aren't as bad(musicman) but there's still a difference...I guess that glue is good...Tony

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 07:29:56 PM »
I own a bolt on TRB-JP and I can tell you that the E and the B are very much alive. Not sure how they do it though.
 
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2010, 05:20:03 PM »
What I notice about all my alembics is that when you plug them in for the first time, they have a wow factor in the sound and every time I play one i find a new wow sound. I haven't found that on any of the basses I've  had before , but then the only decent bass I had before that was a Musicman Sterling. That did have a great powerful meaty sound but I didn't find it very versatile in it's tone especially when I wanted less top end it sounded quite dull.
 
I tried out a Sandberg bass this week in a store for a friend of mine who wanted my opinion on it before he decides to buy it, and I have to say it sounds a great bass.  I liked the fact you can still get a little top end on the notes even when you had the bass boost fully on so you still get clarity.
 
I personally didn't get on with sound of Yamaha basses when I tried a few TRB's before getting the musicman but I love the sound Nathan East gets out of his yamaha basses. Yes there are probably a few million pounds worth of sound processing equipment between his fingers in the studio and when the CD audio hits my ears but his sound is great.
 
 
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2010, 05:58:21 PM »
I completely agree about the Alembic  wow factor . I played a Jaydee and it just did not appeal to me. Played a few  fretted ZON Basss and they were OK but was  somewhat fascinated by their Hyperbass' fretless. The Pedulla Buzz Bass fretless appeals to me as well for a particular purpose and sound. All in all I think Alembic has got it all for the most part.

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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2010, 06:06:00 PM »
What I think is the most defining factor is the attack I can get with my Alembic.  I had always wanted that 'Stanley' attack, where it sounds like you are thumping and plucking, but actually you are only fingering.  I can get close to that sound (attack) on other basses but it requires too much effort (and sore fingers).  
 
I am very good setting up my own basses as far as action, etc.  I've put my Persuader through a few different setups - nut high bridge low, bridge high nut high or low, messed with neck relief, etc.  In any combo, I never lose attack, though different setups do affect noise (string buzz and thwap) and such.
 
Just a marvelous and unique combo of craftsmanship, wood and electronics with this Alembic.  
 
So easy to play but definitely will make you appreciate the dynamics you can get with technique alone.

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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2010, 05:53:26 PM »
What's amazing to me is not how Alembics can sound like other basses but how different they sound in the hands of different people. I will say that I think the Series basses are apart to a greater and lesser degree from other Alembic basses. To my hands and ears, Epics have more in common with other brands of basses than they do with Series I basses.  
 
 
However, I digress. If you listen to Stanley Clark, Phil Lesh, Danny Bowens, Jim Cammach, etc. they are all playing Alembics, but they are all very distinctive from each other. In fact, Phil's bass was directly compared to a washtub bass by producer Keith Olsen in reference to the Terrapin Station sessions. He complained that Phil didn't have a Fender. As a side note, I've run into a fair number of engineers and producers who don't really know what to do with a non-Fender sound. I recently recorded some bass lines for a friend's album and went through various basses (including my Series I) but non of the parts were successful in the ears of the engineer until I pulled out the Lakland JO. I thought my original tracks with the Starfire were the best. Oh well.
 
 
So, my point is that Alembics can really reflect their player in a very direct way, so that rather being limited to imitation of another bass that always sounds like that bass no matter who is playing it, it can create a broad spectrum of tone, often merely by variation of touch. No other bass can really say that.
 
I can't wait to get another!
 
I hope I'm being somewhat lucid, as I am bedridden with H1N1 and between fever and vicodin, am feeling pretty dreamy.

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2010, 06:12:30 PM »
Well said Edwin.
Many thoughts of health for you,
 
Kris

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2010, 06:33:09 PM »
HI Edwin , I have been there too !  
 I hope that you are feeling better soon . If you want another Alembic , it will soon be in your hands ; just keep your mind and energy toward the acquisition of such . It's like magic !  
 
  It has worked for me !

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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »
Oh, I don't doubt the power of manifestation! I have manifested all kinds of wonderful things in my life. It's very powerful, resulting certainly in many of my instruments (definitely my Modulus Q6, which took all of 4 weeks to manifest from intention to instrument in my hands, although most of the time was spent sanding). I am just patiently waiting for the right one to come along. Short scale, series I, cocobolo, LEDs, etc. Or, a medium scale Distillate 5 string would be pretty wonderful. Ah, hell. Eventually the right instrument will stare at me and call my name and there it is.