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« on: July 30, 2006, 11:14:20 AM »
I found this guitar at the World Guitar Show yesterday.  The seller said he was told when he obtained it a couple of months ago that it was likely a Doug Irwin guitar.  The seller was reluctant to claim that to me, telling me that he thought it might be an Irwin neck as the initials "D.I." are written in the neck joint.  I took it apart last night and the D.I. initials do in fact appear on the butt of the neck and on an insert in the neck pocket.  The neck appears to be purpleheart and has a very unusual design inlaid on the back.  The pickups are EMGs with a wood veener on top.  I don't think the seller was trying to con me as he was almost apologetic about even suggesting it was an Irwin, and gave me two weeks to return it for a full refund.  He also pointed out to me that the workmanship on the body doesn't measure up to that on the neck.  He also said he had heard that some of Irwin's workmanship is spotty.  Any ideas or info about this guitar would be greatly appreciated.  Bill, tgo  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2006, 11:26:09 AM »
That is a beauty! Sorry I have no knowledge of Doug Irwin guitars at all... but can tell you it's beautiful!
If it plays and sounds good and you've payed a fair price I don't see a reason to return it, even if it turns out to be a 'fake'
 
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 03:16:31 AM »
Sure is another pretty guitar Bill:  how many guitars do you have or is that classified?
 
Regarding whether or not it's a Doug Irwin....
I assume the truss rod is adjustable at the head as it appears to have a truss rod cover there:  that's not Irwin's style.  Also the scratch plate is not typical and there's no eagle logo.  I would guess it isn't (emphasis on guess!).
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 08:17:09 AM »
Mark:
 
As for number of guitars, I'm not really sure.  Do I count my lone bass?  A pedal steel?  My lap steels?  Counting these I think it's somewhere around 45 or so.
 
What do you mean by scratch plate?  
 
As for Irwin's style, I'm somewhat at a loss to determine if he even has/had a style.  I've looked all over the internet and, other than Jerry's guitars and a tele modified by Irwin for Arthur Lee, I've never found another Irwin guitar.  Mica had a few photos on the site when this discussion came up a few months ago, but they seem to have disappeared.  I agree this certainly isn't in the style of Garcia's guitars.  The truss rod is, indeed, adjustable from the head.  The way this guitar is constructed, however, if it wasn't accessible from the head, it would require removing the neck to make an adjustment.  Not very practical.  The design and lines on this guitar are almost Dali-esque.  Everything is a just a little out of kilter, but it seems as if this is intended.  Also, I've read that Irwin had some mental problems as a result of his accident.  This could be reflected in the design/execution of this instrument.  
 
I had strong doubts when I first saw this guitar, but after going through it and playing it (it does play very nicely and has tremendous volume and sustain when played acoustically), I'm beginning to think it just might be an Irwin, or at least an Irwin neck on a non-Irwin body that has been modified by Irwin.  The workmanship in adding the purpleheart insert to the neck pocket is quite good.  And whoever did the neck also did the insert as they are the same wood and both bare the D.I. initials.  The seller certainly wasn't pushing the Irwin connection and, in fact, seemed to shy away from it.  (He also wasn't quite clear on who Doug Irwin is ... just knew he had something to do with the Grateful Dead). If someone were trying to do a fake Irwin, I'd think it would have a logo and they would charge a lot more $.  
 
Also, I don't even know if the Eagle is Irwin's regular logo or just his logo at the time of the Garcia instruments.  After all, Wolf originally had both an Alembic logo and some indechiperable thing that Irwin claimed to be his peacock logo.  
 
The last I heard regarding Irwin's work is that he was living in a trailer making wooden neck-ties, so who knows what he might be turning out these days?  I'd love to contact Irwin and ask him.  Does anyone know where he is?
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 08:24:46 AM »
This is a cool looking axe Bill.
45?!!! I need to let my wife read this post so she'll stop complaining about my little collection of basses/guitars.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 08:43:02 AM »
Olie:
 
Believe me, my wife isn't too happy about it, either.  I've been moving some out of the house and down to the studio.  I'm giving her the spare bedroom closet back for her birthday in 2 weeks!  LOL
 
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 10:44:48 AM »
Scratch plate=pick guard

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 02:38:10 AM »
Bill:  I too have only seen three Doug Irwin instruments:  Tiger, Rosebud and the Phil Lesh Tiger-like bass of 1980-81  (I consider the Wolf to be an Alembic).  These three, and the Wolf after the 76/77 repair all feature the Eagle logo.  Also, the picture Mica posted of a fourth Doug Irwin did have an Eagle logo too.
 
The lams on the neck are very Alembic like, however:  and Doug  certainly learned his craft at the Mother ship.
 
I repeat, I am only guessing here, and I'm certainly not saying it's not an Irwin.
 
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 05:28:13 PM »
A closet! On my birthday! Just what I always wanted!
 
Does it come with coat hangers?

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 06:15:48 PM »
Dave:
 
Huh?
 
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 06:49:46 PM »
Wow - I'm not even going to mention bikes or beer -
that thread derailment just can't be topped.  
 
 
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 08:34:04 PM »
I'm giving her the spare bedroom closet back for her birthday in 2 weeks!
 
I was guessing at her reaction to receiving such an unusual gift.

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2006, 09:03:42 PM »
hey bill
you tell me you dont like the batwing tribute bouts and you bought a guitar with pick your nose bouts?
:-p

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2006, 11:45:18 PM »
No accounting for taste, I guess.
 

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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 12:41:45 PM »
its just my way of showin some love and of course being the facetious ex new yorker,.
 
btw
facetious is the only word in the dictionary where the vowels are in order
 
class dismissed......
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