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potato1992

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« on: March 31, 2010, 10:03:34 AM »
Hey guys. I'm looking forward to buy an Alembic bass. It's my 5 year dream for now :D
anyway, I'm thinking about alembic Spoiler though, since it's the cheapest, good looking and ofc nice sounding bass. Well I'm playing metal, and i don't have much money to spend, so I need a cheaper model.
If you can and know something about what I'm looking for, please share you opinion! Oh, it can be used (if you offer), 24 frets, 5 or 4 string ( i know 5 is rare)  
For an example, I would love a sound similar to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8t2dJZRRW0
 
Thanks a lot for your answers! Cheers, Laurin.
 
(Message edited by potato1992 on March 31, 2010)

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 11:10:22 AM »
Laurin, welcome.
 
There has been an increase in the amount of people searching for Spoiler, here in the club, for what I've seen.
What you have to do is keep an eye on the , where everyone here posts when we have to get rid of one of our beloved basses, or when we spot someone else doing it!
Good luck!
 
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potato1992

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 12:15:06 PM »
Thanks.
Any offers about the electronics i should pick to make it cheaper and keep the good sound?

eligilam

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 12:53:33 PM »
Try to find one with Bartolini's, those are usually a little cheaper.

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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 02:11:05 PM »
Some Alembics use Barts?  I wonder if they retain the 'Alembic sound'?
 
I was really bent on getting a Series instrument but I think I will go for an Alembic preamp instead.  From what I can gather, all the Alembics share a common 'sound', and playability doesn't change much between the different models and I am just in love with the way my Persuader plays, and sounds, for that matter.  But I still want to experience all the sound possibilities when coupled with an F2B.
 
I currently play through a Line 6 Pod XT Live and due to some amp modelling and other settings, I am able to get a very nice variety of sounds, but I want to get away from the digital processing.
 
Still, I will always wonder what I'm missing in getting a Persuader vs. a Spoiler vs. a Signature vs. a Series...... At least until I get one :-)
 
For now, I am amazed and very happy with my Persuader.  Matter of fact, I just spent $89.00 for a nice 4 strap for it.
 
I do so wonder though if I'd be happier with a Spoiler.  It kind of irks me that the PJ pickup on this Persuader is SO much more powerful than the J pickup is.  Not that I cannot dial-in great tones, I can, but it is a little tricky sometimes. Getting used to it though.

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 02:27:31 PM »
Alembics don't use Barts from the factory, but every now and then you find a bass that has had the pickups swapped out. Barts are fine pickups, but they aren't Alembics. They are made according to a different philosophy, which includes being used passively or with more standard electronics. Alembic pickups are lower impedance and require the proper electronics.
 
From my perspective, I think the Alembics with neck through construction and the sustain block provide what is considered the classic Alembic tone (although that can vary greatly just from putting the instrument in different hands. While Stanley and Mark King can sound similar, they sound way different from Danny Bowens, Jim Cammach, or Phil Lesh, all Alembic players that have influenced me.). Series basses certainly take it to the next level.
 
Spoilers sound great, to get back to the OP, but so do Distillates, if you are looking used. I do wonder what the bass is in the Youtube clip. My laptop speakers don't tell me much about the tone, it sounds very Fenderish through them.
 
Edwin
PS Slammin', you might look in the control cavity and see if there are any trimpots that could even out the pickup balance. I'm not familiar with Persuader electronics, but it's possible. The other way to adjust it is to play with pickup height. It does change the tone, but you might like it.

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 02:30:00 PM »
Some people have placed Barts in Alembic, close to heresy to some here.
 
I'm pretty sure Jason used an Aria Pro II Black 'n Gold I (one pickup version, probably Cliff's) on the entire Album. ;-)
I've had one and it sounded 100% the same. You can get (very) close with a filter equipped Alembic, but the Aria really nails that sound.
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eligilam

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 03:26:57 PM »
Hi all!  
 
Just to clarify, my comment 243 above was a lame attempt at humor.  IMO, sometimes you just can't achieve Alembic-type tone on the cheap---if you wanna play, you gotta pay.  No free lunch.  You get what you pay for.  etc etc, cliches ad nauseum.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 04:31:24 PM »
You do not need an Alembic to achieve that sound. Please understand that any studio recording of this type can be achieved with most basses through good gear.It sounds bolt on to me or was eq'ed to sound Fenderish to my ears as did Edwin.  Flip can probably document how many Alembics actually made it on any Metallica albums.I don't think it will be very many.( Then there is the old loke about there being any bass on Newstead era  recordings.)
 
 I heartily recommend any Spoiler. My first was a new 83 koa model. I still have it and it does indeed have the Alembic sound.  
 
My band plays heavy punk influenced metal and hard rock and I only perform and record with Alembics but the way they end up on cd. most would not instantly pick out that Alembics were used. Here is my Excel 5 with Europa guts picked up by my Macbook mic. Not a true representation of the classic tone but it does have some of the characteristics. Best of luck in your search. It can be life changing owning one. Ask anyone here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUfLozlL-HY

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 04:31:29 PM »
I guessed that it was a joke, but thought I should chime in,  in case other people didn't know and thought that the Alembics that show up with Barts on ebay every now and then might be factory original.

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 04:38:56 PM »
You do not need an Alembic to achieve that sound. Please understand that any studio recording of this type can be achieved with most basses through good gear.It sounds bolt on to me or was eq'ed to sound Fenderish to my ears as did Edwin.  Flip can probably document how many Alembics actually made it on any Metallica albums.I don't think it will be very many.( Then there is the old loke about there being any bass on Newstead era  recordings.)
 
 I heartily recommend any Spoiler. My first was a new 83 koa model. I still have it and it does indeed have the Alembic sound.  
 
My band plays heavy punk influenced metal and hard rock and I only perform and record with Alembics but the way they end up on cd. most would not instantly pick out that Alembics were used. Here is my Excel 5 with Europa guts picked up by my Macbook mic. Not a true representation of the classic tone but it does have some of the characteristics. Best of luck in your search. It can be life changing owning one. Ask anyone here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUfLozlL-HY

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 06:55:18 PM »
just wanted to share about the Bartolini comments, they started making a parametric EQ which is based around Alembics concept for the spoilers and persuaders, heres a link to one of them http://bestbassgear.com/bartolini-ezq.htm
 
~Taylor

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 07:16:56 PM »
While the Bartolini EZQ is quite possibly influenced by Alembic, I think it predates the Persuader and Spoiler. It wasn't until 1979 (according to my admittedly unreliable memory and the Short History page) that Alembic started making basses other than the custom and Series basses. I seem to recall the EZQ being available at that time if not before. I think it's probably more based on the Series I or II electronics. There were also other similar filter designs floating around at the time, but most of them were clunkier and noisier than the Alembic design. I remember building a Craig Anderton Super Tone Control into a bass and while it could do crazy things (it was a state variable filter, but unlike the Alembic filters, it could also bring in the signal that fell above and below the filter. It was capable of resonance so high that it would oscillate and the low end could be truly profound. However, it was unreliable (my soldering skills weren't the best back then) and noisy.  
 
I have Bartolini pickups in a number of basses (including my Starfire) and they do always sound nice.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 07:44:13 PM »
I remember my old Pluto filters  ( also a state variable filter design) would sometimes oscillate in high pass mode at a high gain setting .  They had high pass , band pass , low pass and notch  . I have HI-A pickups in my remaining Starfire that were from a   Bill Bartolini  experimental batch. They have HI A  on them instead of  Bartolini.

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 07:45:14 PM »
sorry Edwin, my mistake, i meant persuader/spoiler as in a single filter, i have yet to try one but am VERY anxious, does anyone have experience with it?
 
~Taylor