Author Topic: Sound equipment in the NY/Ct area (Read 1086 times)

willgunn · « **Reply #45 on:** May 23, 2007, 10:18:26 AM »

Just a little clarification regarding dnburgess's May 19th comments regarding 2400wattman's trying out my Acme B-1 cab's MINUS the mid's & tweeters: I'd managed to talk Andy Lewis at Acme Sound into building me four 1X10 cab's without mid's & tweeters (B-1 Sub's) about 5 years ago. They're probably the only ones he's made so far (8 Ohms each)...no one else has probably been crazy enough to request 'em, I'm sure! I'd owned a pair of standard B-2's previously (4 Ohm cab's), and had come to the conclusion that, given my personal tone preference, I didn't really need the mids or tweeters. And so, in order to additionally save a little weight, I had these built (each one weighs only 25#!). These, along with the Walter Woods (700 Watts total and 8# weight) will fit into ANY vehicle and give a full SVT rig a serious run for the money in terms of pure grunt force, and if arranged in a single vertical stack, only takes about one square foot of floor space! Anyhow, regardless of whether or not they've got mids & tweeters, or if they're 1X10, 2X10 or 4X10, The Acme's are the finest speakers you can buy, regardless of price...in my opinion, at least. Yes, they ARE power hungry, but this IS bass, after all!

flaxattack · « **Reply #46 on:** May 23, 2007, 01:46:39 PM »

well the 2402;s on ebay are 5-6 yrs old
so i think i would pass on those and maybe look at the 1804 new.
andy hates casters and since i was pissed at my sound last week using the rumble15 with casters maybe thats why i was pissed
here are specs
ohms (each channel) *
FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD
EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD

550 W
600 W
Stereo Mode
4 ohms (each channel) *
FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD
EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD

800 W
900 W
Signal to Noise (20 Hz - 20 kHz)    -106 dB
Input Sensitivity @ 8 ohms    1.20 Vrms
Gain @ 8 ohms    35 dB
Output Circuitry    2-Tier Class H
Distortion (SMPTE-IM)    Less than 0.02%
Typical Distortion
1/8 rated power, 20 Hz-20 kHz
Full rated power, 20 Hz-20 kHz
Less than 0.02%
Less than 0.02%
Frequency Response    20 Hz-20 kHz, -0.5 dB
Damping Factor    Greater than 200
Input Impedance    20k ohms balanced
10k ohms unbalanced
Input Clipping    5.5 Vrms (+15 dBu)
Cooling    Variable-speed fan, rear-to-front air flow
Input Connectors, each channel    3-pin XLR and 1/4 TRS balanced
Output Connectors, each channel    Neutrik? NL4 Speakon?
(Both channels available on Ch 1 output)
Rear Panel Switches    Circuit Breaker
Front Panel Controls    Detented Input Attenuator: 0 to ∞ dB
Power On/Off
Front Panel Indicators    Clip: Red LED
-10: Green LED
Signal (-35 dB): Green LED
Power: Blue LED
PROTECTION
Amplifier Protection    Full short circuit, open circuit, thermal, infrasonic, ultrasonic, and RF protection
Stable into reactive or mismatched loads
Load Protection    On/off muting, DC-fault power supply shutdown
Infrasonic    -3 dB, 6 Hz
DC fault    Power supply shutdown
Ultrasonic    -3 dB, 80 kHz
Short Circuit    Muting
Thermal    Limiting at 85? C, Muting at 90? C
Over Current    Active clip limiting
AC circuit breaker
High Line    Standard +15%, survive +25%
Low Line    -40%
PHYSICAL
Dimensions
Height
Width
Depth, Rack mounting surface to rear panel
Overall Depth
3.5 (8.9 cm) 2 rack spaces
19 (48.3 cm)
8.95 (22.7 cm)
11 (27.9 cm)
Weight    13 lbs. (5.9 kg) net
18 lbs. (8.2 kg) shipping
Agency Approvals    CE, FCC, cUL, UL

lembic76450 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2007, 02:12:05 PM »

Flax,
This might de of interest to you for great money,
I just bought a Crown XLS402 amp brand new on ebay from a New York City powerseller for $240.00, $30.00 shipping, and a $120.00 rebate from Crown, Total cost $150.00, 300 watts into 8 ohm, 450 into 4ohm, 1140 watts bridged mono into 4 ohms, 26 lbs. More than enough to drive my cabs. It is new, not a second, full 3yr warranty . I bet it would be just right for the Acme's. I've been using a crown amp since the 70's with my F-2B. Very dependable.
Kenn

dnburgess · « **Reply #48 on:** May 23, 2007, 02:47:52 PM »

Wow - I stand corrected re B1 subs.

rraymond · « **Reply #49 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:04:45 PM »

That 1804 would be awesome. If you went with the Crown XLS series, I'd go with the 602 to get the extra power for not a lot more doh. Also, Andy recommends, as ideal, 500w for the B2. I know when I bought my 2402, the word on the street was double the power requirements of the cabinet. The B2 is 350w and the 2402 is 700w at 4 ohms. How convenient! And don't forget to break the B2s in slowly. Play them at the house for a few hours before taking them to band rehearsal. Andy explains it on his site.

Enjoy, sounds like a great rig in the making!

bsee · « **Reply #50 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:55:27 PM »

The 1804 is a lot of power in a very light package. In exchange, it has some limitations in that it cannot be bridged or support 2 ohm loads in stereo. I am told that the the audiophile quality of the xx02 series amps is higher than the xx04 versions, but that doesn't seem to be important in live bass scenarios. Also, the xx04 versions don't have the subsonic filters. I can't say that I have ever seen a bad review of one of these.

flaxattack · « **Reply #51 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:14:12 PM »

bought the cab
looking at the behringer europower2500 which is similar to the 2402 at half the price
correct on the 1804- the 1802 is bridgeable

2400wattman · « **Reply #52 on:** May 23, 2007, 07:29:46 PM »

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Flax, STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT BEARS BEHRINGER ON IT!! Actually some of their rack mount gear is alright but don't go for their power amps. You should'nt compromise on your power if you can afford it, you did'nt compromise on your bass did you? Save yourself some grief and get the QSC. It's been a few years since I was running a Behringer keyboard amp(for my keys of course) which eventually fried on me and the only autorized service center on the East Coast is in Atlanta, Georgia! I'm sure there is authorized QSC service centers IN Connecticut. Food for thought pal.

bsee · « **Reply #53 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:28:31 PM »

Other than price, I've never heard anyone give a reason to recommend Behringer. I have heard plenty of complaints about business practices and quality, though. I have one piece of their gear, a mini mixer, and it has worked fine in the non-professional role for which I bought it. I wouldn't buy any more or use this piece in some critical application.

rraymond · « **Reply #54 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:49:47 PM »

More peanut gallery booing and hissing!

Why not look at the Crowns Kenn mentioned? Heck I've had good luck with Carvin amps, to tell the truth. I've got 3 of their power amps now. I ran my B2 with a Carvin R600 bass head, and my B4 was powered by Carvin F600 for several years. No problems with any of their amps.

flaxattack · « **Reply #55 on:** May 24, 2007, 05:22:49 AM »

sounds like i touched off a forestorm
is it ok to buy the behringer tuner-lol
beaver has a 2402 on his site- i might give him a call later

flaxattack · « **Reply #56 on:** May 24, 2007, 05:27:56 AM »

the 1804 does not bridge
the 1802 does

PLX2 Professional Power Amplifiers
PLX1802 Specifications

PLX1802 Amplifier
VIEW REAR PANEL

The PLX2 series is a range of premium quality, high-power amplifiers designed for the most demanding live performance uses. Built on the third generation of QSC PowerLight technology, PLX2 amplifiers combine light weight, superlative audio quality and proven QSC reliability.

The PLX1802 is an excellent choice for users who need to drive up to four loudspeakers from each amplifier channel (2 ohm loading), or when extremely high power bridge mono operation is required. The PLX1802 features built-in subwoofer processing, filter switches, and front panel indications of bridge mono status.

SPECIFICATIONS    PLX1802
   STEREO MODE, both channels driven *
8 ohms
FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD
EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD
320 W
330 W
4 ohms
FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD
EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD
525 W
575 W
2 ohms EIA 1 kHz 1% THD
   900 W
   BRIDGE MONO MODE *
8 ohms
20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD
EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD
1100 W
1200 W
4 ohms 1 kHz 1% THD    1800 W

keith_h · « **Reply #57 on:** May 24, 2007, 05:30:27 AM »

The PLX2402 has been replaced by the 2502. While I would personally stick with the xx02 line the 1804 should be more than adequate although I don't like the lack of clip limiters and filters.

Definitely stay away from the Behringer.

Keith

lbpesq · « **Reply #58 on:** May 24, 2007, 06:54:43 AM »

Flax:

The problem with getting a Behringer is that you'll then be obligated to buy a Yugo to haul it around. LOL

Bill, tgo

2400wattman · « **Reply #59 on:** May 24, 2007, 07:26:19 AM »

Forgot one thing, I believe Behringer is German for broken.