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dannobasso

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2008, 07:58:08 PM »
The first song I ever learned on my then brand new Gibson Ripper bass was Cold Gin. I was 15 at the time. 30 years later, my opinion is that he played what he knew, what was right, what the producers left. There were studio cats over the years but I grew up on Gene and the like before I heard Stanley and Squire etc. with a discerning and hungry ear.  I still dig a lot of his lines and his success is beyond dreams.

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2008, 09:35:33 PM »
the real thing in action
 
(not sure which side this proves in the debate...)

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2008, 04:28:04 AM »
My lords, ladies and gentlemen - I rest my case!

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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2008, 04:56:22 AM »
Not sure what to say here, but I do tend to go towards White Cloud's appraisal of the mega rich guy.
I will admit to thinking his sound was somewhat iffy.
Maybe I'm just an old fart!
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2008, 05:42:48 AM »
When I was a kid I was a HUGE Kiss fan.  I used to get SO pissed at anyone who would suggest they were anything but marvelous musicians.  Then I got a chance to see them live... I was CRUSHED!!!  Although I was just starting to learn to play, I had to acknowledge that they were TERRIBLE!!!  I couldn't count how many times Peter Criss had to stop playing and find the beat.  As far as everyone else goes, it was an absolute slop fest.  However, it was a GREAT show!!!  Fast forward 20 years... I took my wife and kids to see them on their farewell tour.  After being at it and playing the same songs for 2 decades you just knew they would be tight.  They were TERRIBLE!!!  I couldn't count how many times Peter Criss had to stop playing and find the beat.  As far as everyone else goes, it was an absolute slop fest.  However, it was a GREAT show!!!  I'll give an update after I see them on their geriatric tour in 2020!!!  
 

 
You have to admire Gene for his business savvy; I can assure you that he got a piece of the action on Flax's new axe.  Furthermore, I'm sure he gives less than a s@&% what the good folks at the Alembic forum think of his playing.  All that being said, Kiss is a interesting band in a multi-generational context.  Although I REALLY don't understand the appeal, many talented guitarist through the years list Ace Frehley as a major influence.

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2008, 08:12:32 AM »
If you listen to Gene Simmons and  Paul Stanley they will both tell you they are not very good musicians. What they say is they are good entertainers and put on a great show. There is a difference between the two. I also think they are good business people being able to turn what they do into such a money maker for so many years.  
 
 
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2008, 08:27:09 AM »
I am a big rock fan but have never understand the appeal of Kiss. I really like to listen to good players and, what is for me, interesting music - but each to their own! There is a market for it so good luck to them!
 
Its only fair Gene doesnt care what opinions are made of him or his playing as I personally wouldnt care about his opinions on anything either!
 
Mike - r.e. the Kiss tour...expect another absolute slop fest that is a great show. Leopards, spots etc etc etc!

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2008, 09:42:14 AM »
I'm sure I'll be there!!!  It takes about 20 years to get yourself up for another aural assault from Kiss.  Maybe Ted Nugent will open for them again (Nugent was not only entertaining, but he and his band played well).  
 

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2008, 01:59:54 PM »
There's a big difference too between the various stages of Kiss. The early years are great dumb rock'n'roll which is fine with me. Destroyer is an amazing album - some great anthems, great production (Bob Ezrin), even the silly songs like Great Expectations (You see me play guitar - and you know what my hands can do - and you wish you were the one - that I was doing it to) are profound in their absurdity. The superhero disco years were when they were a cultural force, when the image really eclipsed the music, to the extent when they weren't even playing! But rock'n'roll isn't necessarily about ability, it's about anyone being able to pick up a guitar and start a band, punk was another manifestation of that ethic. Unfortunately, Kiss lost it, though I enjoyed the metal/post-makeup years to a certain extent. If I want to remember Kiss I'll hang onto the first album, Destroyer, and songs like Shock Me and Rock Bottom - I think that stuff holds up.

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2008, 04:21:19 PM »
i've never been into kiss, but i do know that gene owns the copyright on the term 'oj' in reference to orange juice. and thats awesome.

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2008, 10:41:43 PM »
I've been thinking about my post since the weekend. Gene Simmons isn't someone I would normally defend - in fact, I think he's ridiculous. But as I kept thinking about it, here's what I came up with:
 
I think there are (at least) two main trends in rock. One is the DIY attitude, perhaps most explicit in the punk movement, but I think it can be seen earlier on too, for instance in the various surf groups that developed, or in the skiffle movement in England which the Beatles grew out of. The other is the trend towards virtuosity. Whether the early pioneers like Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, etc., or the later manifestations like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, or prog groups like Yes, Genesis, etc., this can also be found in jazz and fusion, where instrumental ability is prized over popularity or accessibility. In fact, couldn't Dick Dale be seen as the virtuosic manifestation of the surf movement that wasn't present in all the various groups?
 
Kiss definitely fall into the DIY side, or at least their earlier stuff does. They never claimed to be virtuosos. I always saw Ace Frehley as coming from the Chuck Berry school - not necessarily the best technical player but his playing was just cool.  
 
Gene Simmons's public persona is one thing, but to claim that he's a bad player is entering the realm of taste - of course you are entitled to your opinion regarding whether or not you like him as a person or as a musician, but to make value judgements about his playing, especially in terms of rock'n'roll, is problematic at best. Of course, when they started hiring session guys during the superhero era things get fishy, but then we could get back into the Monkees debate...

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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2008, 01:14:55 PM »
Anybody know how to get Rock Band 2 to allow you to play all the songs listed on the box? We got Rock Band 2 for Wii for the holidays.  The box includes Alabama Getaway, Pinball Wizard, Tangled Up In Blue, and the Allman Brothers' Ramblin' Man, but none of these shows up on the list of song choices when I play the game.
 
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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2008, 01:59:56 PM »
Traditionally, these games give you a limited number of initial songs and you unlock the rest by playing through the game.  I'll look into it for you, Bill, to see how RB2 works.

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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2008, 02:04:02 PM »
Okay here you go.  I haven't tested this, but it came from a reliable source:
 
Go to the extras menu, then select modify game, and then on enter unlock code
 
The code that unlocks all songs is reported as:  Circle, triangle, square, circle, circle, square, square, circle, triangle, square  
 
You must then select it in the cheat menu after entering the code.
 
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2008, 05:11:53 PM »
Bob:
 
Thanks for the quick response.  I got to enter lock code, selected it, and got a screen saying to type in code - that's where I hit the wall.  How do I type in the code?  The wii has no keyboard.  I tried pressing every button possible, but all I could do was alternate between the extras menu and the type in code screen.
 
H E L P !!
 
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