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jbybj

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2009, 10:32:51 PM »
What I recommend to those I care about, and I will include anyone reading this post, is to not let politics make you crazy. Whether the past or the current president makes you nuts, it only serves to undermine your own peace and, doesn't really change anything. I used to get all bent, until I realized that I was only hurting myself. Now, I'm stupidly happy, no matter who is in the white house. What you can do, and for most of us, the only thing we can do, is to vote. So cast your vote, and then let it go.  
 
It's foolish to let words damage you. Andy Partridge said it something like this, I believe the written word should be forgiven.

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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2009, 09:49:36 AM »
Alan:
 
Your Consitutional post reminded me of a suggestion Leno or Letterman said a couple of years ago when Iraq was attempting to draft a constitution:
 
Why don't we give them ours ... it worked for over 200 years ... and we don't use it anymore
 
(U.S. Constitution:  Section 8. The Congress [NOT the President] shall have power .... To declare war)
 
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2009, 11:37:09 AM »
Hey Bill!  Personal foul, Bush-bashing on the Alembic boards, 15 yard penalty.  It would have been reasonably neutral until the parenthetical addition, but you just had to get the dig in, and that's a good illustration of why we are supposed to refrain from talking politics here.
 
Of course, you're not the only one who is carrying on after Dave's whistle has blown, just the last one with a conveniently worded post to make my point.
 
Maybe there's some reasonably neutral political blogging site that one or more of you subscribe to?  A place that we could acknowledge is the official political discussion venue for those members of the Alembic club who chose to participate.  Then everyone who wants to have a political discussion and include some of their Alembic buddies can do it there instead of here.
 
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2009, 12:49:29 PM »
Bob:
 
No Bush bashing intended.  This particular violation of Constitutional mandate has a long history that goes back more than 50 years to the Korean police action and includes most Presidents since then.  I think our Constitution is an amazing document, one of the finest creations in the history of mankind.  I just think we'd all be better off if the President, members of Congress, and the Supreme Court would bother to actually read it and follow it's dictates.
 
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2009, 01:41:23 PM »
The Constitution: void where prohibited by law.
 
Not political, just joking.

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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2009, 02:47:02 PM »
Bill,  
 
    Therein lies the rub, so to speak.  Our congress never declared war against North Korea, North Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan ... take your pick.  You'll note that both Democratic and Republican presidents presided over the deployment of forces to these places or near these places.  While it is true that the congress never declared war in these instances, the President, in his role as the commander in chief of the Armed forces has the ability to deploy those forces to places he deems necessary for our security.
 
    This being said, the War Powers Resolution is (from Wiki):
 
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 is a United States federal law providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 is a United States federal law providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires that the president notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.
 
 
This is (my guess) how all of our Presidents, from both sides of the aisle, have been able to keep our Armed Forces in places past 60 days.  Note the language The War Powers Resolution requires that the president notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.  In other words, if the congress authorizes it, troops can stay in an area indefinitely.  Theoretically, anyway.
 
The fact is President Bush never had the Constitutional repsonsibility or right to declare war.  If our elected Congressmen and Senators felt so strongly about our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan (and elsewhere), they were completely within their rights Constitutionally to call Mr. Bush on the carpet.  The fact that they didn't speaks volumes about them as a body and us as a people.
 
    I will say, from personal experience, that I often wondered what our elected leaders were thinking when they decided to send our Armed Forces in harm's way.  As a Company Commander in the 82nd Airborne Division, I remember sitting on a cot, unable to sleep, trying to figure out one good reason for our intervention in Haiti.  More importantly, I was trying to think of a good reason to provide to my men as to why they would soon be risking their lives (other than the obvious).  Same goes for Somalia (started under Bush the Elder, and finished, ignominiously in my opinion, under President Clinton).  As to our intervention in Iraq, and speaking only for myself, I've no doubt we did the right thing by removing Saddam from power.  Where we screwed up was the aftermath.  Lots of blame to go around for that, on both sides of the aisle IMHO.
 
Before Modder Dave steps in, let me just say I'm not trying to stir anything up.  Personally, I think there are fingers that can be pointed in all directions as to the cause of our problems today.  Democrats aren't immune, nor are Republicans, Independents, you name it.  We're here because, I think, they forgot what the Constitution says.  That's why I posted it - if they read it and adhered to what it says, maybe we wouldn't be where we're at today.  
 
My two cents,
 
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2009, 04:28:46 PM »
I think Bob was right, and that we should take this elsewhere.  Anyone have any suggestions?

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2009, 05:31:51 PM »
Alan:
 
Don't forget the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution of 1964.  I cannot agree with you more, the fingers can indeed be pointed in every direction.  A very wise man once told me there are two kinds of people in this world.  The first finds them self in a pit up to their neck in shit, stands there and says woe is me, I'm up to my neck in shit.  It's his fault, or if I had just done that differently, or it's not fair.  The second finds them self in the same pit and says I'm in a pit up to my neck in shit.  At the moment it really doesn't matter how I got here.  What do I do to get out.  Personally, I strive to be in the second group.
 
Bill, tgo
 
P.S.  Nothing above is meant to offend and I'd really be surprised if anyone here finds it offensive.

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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2009, 07:18:11 AM »
I think Bob was right, and that we should take this elsewhere. Anyone have any suggestions?
 
http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2009, 11:42:38 AM »
Nice forum Greg... I added a post about the virtues of Alembic over Fender basses.  The thread was taken down and I got banned.

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« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2009, 12:06:57 PM »
haha.wouldnt surprise me (but you are kidding right?)..im one of the only conservatives on that forum...its always good to go over there and get the lefties riled up...

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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2009, 02:15:45 PM »
Yea, I was kidding.  We need some of those smiley things to substitute for body language.  I'm very apolitical, but I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy... that looked like a good place to have one!!!

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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2009, 09:22:34 PM »
Mike,
if you check the Help/Instructions link at the bottom of the page, you can put up various predefined smileys with keystroke codes (like uploading pics or adding links).
 
 
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2009, 04:12:36 AM »
In response to the original question I would say it is a promising start. However, it must be remembered that Obama IS a politician and therefore will have a certain distaste for the truth and integrity. He is also merely a figure head, one man!
 
The world doesnt just want him to succeed though...it desperately needs him to! These are dangerous times.
 
The calamitous era of Bush has left the world a much more dangerous and unstable place - and has increased bad feeling towards the USA considerably. In my opinion Bush was far more of an inspiration to the recruitment of terrorists than Bin Laden ever could have been.
 
The invasion of Iraq bore no relevance or connection whatsoever to the tragedy of 9/11 (weapons of mass destruction? No, weapons of mass delusion!) - in fact a more relevant response would have been a US led invasion of Saudi Arabia - but that was never going to happen was it!?!?!?
 
Britain is a strong ally of the US but the groundswell of opinion here on being led into such a pointless waste of life was a resounding not in our name! Unfortunately we were similarly burdened with a leader of limited vision. In fact the less said about him the better - how nauseating to see him awarded a medal from Bush for his friendship. Most people here in the UK would not extend any friendship towards him at all.
 
My country was also horified at the Bush led governments shocking lack of support for those Americans in New Orleans left ravaged by natural disaster - to the outside world it was clear; some Americans are more important than others.  
 
Good luck Obama...you need it.

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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2009, 06:22:52 AM »
Also, as to whether or not this forum is appropriate for political opinion, one of the joys I find in visiting this forum is that it generally lacks political talk that may set my blood boiling...I go to other forums for that...
 
Maybe a political talk only forum should be started for those that wish to engage in those discussions.