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dannobasso

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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2009, 06:35:28 PM »
I find being an omnivore has added to the quality of my life. There is something extremely satisfying about a well prepared steak with Magi sauce. I also find that those who preach tolerance for lifestyles that may be an affront to me seem to be the least tolerant of the lifestyles of others. On a veggie plus though, we cannot metabolize cellulose so it is the perfect food to keep our large and small intestines clean and free from being afflicted with the non-beneficial matter of our meat and starch way of life. Also, what of the bivalves, crustaceans and mollusks?  Don't they deserve misleading pet names too? Cause they go good with steak as well!

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2009, 07:27:57 PM »
Soylent Green is people!!!

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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2009, 07:05:24 AM »
Bill, I thought that was Matza bread!
 
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2009, 09:08:59 AM »
I like potato chips

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2009, 11:16:11 AM »
if you want a really good bbq sauce
try jonathans bbq sauce
my store used to carry it but i ended up buying online
the cajun is superb! its not overly hot- has a nice bite with a touch of sweetness
the honey is great on wings
and the teriaki rocks on meat
 
heres another tasty tidbit- take your fav bbq sauce and toss in a little horseradish(gold's recommended)
 
meat rocks

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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2009, 01:02:25 PM »
...now with more GIRLS!
 

 
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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2009, 02:28:24 PM »
Public service message to those who are vegan or considering veganism: it is a lifestyle choice not to be made lightly, and should be done with the assistance of a health professional that understands veganism and it's associated health risks.
 
I'd personally suggest seeing a licensed naturopathic physician (which may not be an option in your state- not all states license naturopaths).
 
Bradley

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2009, 11:12:17 AM »
Public service message to those who are carnivores or considering carnivorism: it is a lifestyle choice not to be made lightly, and should be done with the assistance of a health professional that understands carnivorism and it's associated health risks.
 
Bradley; while I fully understand and agree with your concern that vegans should have a good grounding in nutrition and should pay close attention to their diets, the same can be said for everyone.  Heart disease, obesity, and diabetes are just three of the most obvious examples of this.  There are a lot of vegans and vegetarians here in Asheville.  My personal observations of the people that I know suggest that as a gross generalization, vegans and vegetarians study and understand a lot more about nutrition, and pay attention to their diets, than do non-vegetarians.  One cheap and easy example, vegans don't eat at McDonalds.
 
My personal experience is that a vegan diet is exceedingly healthy.  And my personal opinion is that it is exceedingly more healthy than eating animal products.
 
Eating is first and foremost about being healthy, about supplying our selves with the nutritional fuel that will keep us as healthy as possible both near term and long term.
 
In my view, everything one puts into their body is important.  Body, mind, and spirit are interconnected.  Everything we do in life, every moment, is precious.

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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2009, 12:27:18 PM »
I've got to disagree with Dave here, with all respect.  Eating is about pleasure.  If we concerned ourselves only with being healthy, to quote Colonel Trautman from the Rambo movies, we'd be eating things that would make a billy goat puke.  This is the problem in the US, if you ask me - we're so worried about nutrition that we forget that eating is more than nutrients.  It is culture, shared experiences, memories.  I'd rather eat good food properly prepared with care and with people I care about than count every carb, fat, and protein.  I mean, what's the point of eating if one is fretting over every gram of fat, carb, etc.?  It takes all the joy out of it if you ask me.  
 
This being said, sure there are some folks who's health problems dictate they must eat certain foods, and not others.  And that's cool.  Others make a choice not to eat certain foods, and that's fine as well.
 
What bugs me as a cook and aspiring chef is that some of these folks on the fringes would deny us those things we take pleasure in as omnivores or carnivores.  Don't believe me?  Last year, Chicago banned foie gras (livers from specially fattened ducks).  Apparently, someone in their city council objected to the way the ducks are raised (they are force fed grain with a tube), and hence the ban.  It was reversed in 2008, but you can see my point.  Who are they to tell me and others who enjoy foie gras what we can eat and what we can't?  I mean, what's next?  Peanut butter?
 
Vegans and vegetarians, due to their choice, by nature have to pay more attention to their diets and nutrition mainly because a lot of the nutrients they need are abundant in animal products and less so in vegetable products.  Meats are full of proteins, while vegetables (with the exception of quinoa) are not for the most part.  The body needs protein, as well as carbohydrates and fat, and most veggies are high in carbohydrates, have some fats, but are generally low in protein.  As a result, vegans and vegetarians must pay more attention to their diet - if they didn't there would be serious health risks.
 
I live above a vegan/vegetarian restaurant here in Montpelier VT where I'm attending culinary school.  I ate there once.  Much of what they had was very bland tasting to me.  It may have had something to do with the seasoning, but I expected more - when one takes animal fats out of the diet, meat, etc., they must be replaced with something that is visually appealing, tastes good, and has good texture.  None of what I ate had that, although I admit it wasn't the worst thing I've ever eaten.
 
BTW, I don't eat at McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut or any of the other fast food places either.  It's garbage IMHO.  If others want to eat there, great.  I wouldn't go out of my way to ban them like some of the PETA folks did with foie gras in Chicago.
 
In the end, as a cook and aspiring chef, I have no choice but to accomodate their wishes even though I don't necessarily agree with their choices (tempeh is the nastiest thing I've ever eaten, and I've eaten fresh, still squirming squid tentacles in Korea).  Besides, grilled veggies suits my food cost just fine.
 
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2009, 03:43:48 PM »
Avoiding the foie gras argument, (I came upon veganism without prodding and I don't try to change minds about touchy subjects like that)
 
Just like there are omnivores that count calories to the point of taking pleasure out of eating, there are vegans who do the same.  Unfortunately, they sometimes decide to open restaurants serving bland food with a heavy focus on animal rights.  You can typically tell these from the PETA leaflets just inside the door.
 
On the other hand, there are places like Horizons in Philly who rise to the challenge of limited ingredients and make something truly stunning.  I've never met an omnivore who came out of Horizons feeling like something was missing.  The places that realize that restaurants are about pleasure and not politics can do wonderful things.  
 
Just like you can't group every omnivore together, vegans cannot be painted with one broad stroke.  There's the New Farm Cookbook and then there's the Veganomicon and Vegan Cupcakes Take Over the World.  They're all vegan cookbooks but only one has a fascination with keeping it super healthy.  The other two are about enjoying what yourself.  Cooking and eating should be fun!
 
I, for one, appreciate the ability to take an active role in making what I eat and making it taste really good.  As a student, I can't afford the cuts of meat that it would require to make an exceptional meat-based dish but I can afford the ingredients for most anything in Veganomicon.  Plus, the DIY aspect of seitan (wheat meat) is fascinating to me.  
 
I'm lucky enough to have a group of friends back home who are all vegan and who all appreciate good food.  We came to veganism through different paths and we don't talk about PETA or Tyson or Hallmark.  We bond over something we share, eat great food, and have fun.  It IS culture, shared experiences, memories.  We just use different ingredients.
 
 
Sorry if that was a bit rambly; I typed this in the middle of making dinner.  Anyone want homemade soup?

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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2009, 05:19:39 PM »
I've never heard of Tempeh. I looked it up... stinky Tofu???  The worst thing I ever had was Durian... it ruined my appetite for about 3 days.  
 
The most adventurous (and expensive) meal I've ever had was at Guy Savoy in Las Vegas.  My wife and I got a 10 course tasting menu.  It was all so pretty that I hated to eat it!!!

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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2009, 05:38:40 PM »
I remember Durian from Singapore. I kept my distance and never tried it. The smell is bad enough, I can't imagine what it would taste like.
 
Eating in Singapore... now that's fun!
 
Great beer too! (Tiger and Anchor)
 
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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2009, 06:09:23 PM »
Dave,
 
I get your point (and extra points for the carnivore straw man), but eating a balanced diet as a vegan is difficult, and requires diligence and planning to avoid protein deficiency.
 
Even if you don't have a hormone condition like Steve Jobs, protein deficiency is the default setting for veganism.  It takes work to move it from that state.
 
This is not an endorsement or a condemnation, but I've seen one too many people get sick from veganism, mainly due to not understanding that you absolutely must eat protein to be healthy (and that getting that protein is difficult on an all-vegetable diet).
 
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2009, 07:47:28 PM »
Just to clarify... plants contain protein.  Also understand that we don't absorb and utilize whole proteins.  Proteins are digested and broken down into their constituent amino acids.  The amino acids are absorbed and can then be used to build new proteins, used as a source of energy, or even converted into glucose.  There are 20 amino acids of which 8 are so called essential because the body cannot synthesize them from other compounds.  Therefore, they must be obtained from food.  It's the amino acid distribution in plant protein that can lead to problems.

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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2009, 08:32:31 PM »
Mike,
 
   Yes, veggies have protein.  Just nowhere near as much as other foods, particularly meat and eggs.  This is what makes it difficult for vegans and vegetarians.  If plants had enough protein, it wouldn't be a problem to be on an all veggie or partial veggie diet.  That they don't have as much protein makes such a diet that much more challenging protein-wise.  This was what I was trying to say, and unfortunately didn't do a good job (;-)).
 
For everyone's info, here's a few things from the Complete Book of Food Counts.  I chose lean meats to provide a better comparison - I think we all know fatty meats (e.g., ribeyes, certain cuts of pork, etc.) will contain more fat.
 
Beef Flank Steak, braised, 31.8 grams protein, 14.7 grams fat (4 oz portion)
 
Pork Loin, lean 39.1 grams protein, 16.4 grams fat (4 oz portion)
 
Carrots, fresh, whole, raw, 2.8 oz, .7 grams protein, .1 grams fat
 
Tempeh, 4 oz, 21.6 oz protein, 8.8 grams fat
 
Seitan Mix, 5 oz, 44 grams protein, 2 grams fat (big surprise here - hard flours are used, which are about 15% to 17% protein)
 
Tofu, raw, 4 oz, 9.2 grams protein, 5.6 grams fat
 
Alan