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« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2009, 10:50:24 PM »
David, I wasn't really trying to belittle anyone that can play a beast like that, that's a level of talent and commitment I am unlikely to attain in this lifetime...I was just havin' a little fun...those wide-necked things just look WRONG to me, but I guess that's what ya gotta do if ya want that many strings...Tony.

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« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2009, 10:21:30 PM »
Bob (bsee) I finally read your bit to me about getting lost on five properly; thanks for that.
 
I guess my personal problem(among others!) is that I'm used to seeing an e-string when I look down, so my brain has to do quick gymnastics as to fret position, and try to do that while I sing(which is also new to me) the fact that I can sing,play bass and stand upright at the same time is already WAY more than I thought I was capable of...
 
And further to my somewhat offending quip about big necks, I was somewhat serious; I've seen it in drummers with full kits that only use half at best (Peter Criss being the most famous example) but I have seen it many times...I never use my g string(I go commando..I know, too much information...) so I could get away with three...the BEAD bass someone else mentioned would likely be a perfect solution for many of us...I guess I'm just wondering how many lonely bass strings are out there...my G for one...
 
By the way, what IS that skinned piano thing? is it more of a stick/touch bass or what? how do you play something that wide? I have played a stick before, but if this thing plays different from that, my wrists are already hurting! Tony.

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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2009, 03:15:41 AM »
Tony.
We've discussed similar instruments in the past. here is a link to the discussion thread.
 
you can also go onto www.jeanbaudin.com to see videos of it being played.
 
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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2009, 05:33:20 AM »
Here is a monster player on multi-string bass.
Mr Bill Dickens
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGc5fluonNc
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2009, 06:23:31 AM »
Wow that was some Monster-assed bass playin!!!






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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2009, 07:28:50 AM »
Some of Bill Dickens harps really look like bass guitars, strange ...
 
I just like the Low B on fretless basses, but not on most fretted basses. After some training switching between 4 or 5 strings seems natural to me now. No need to sell my beloved 4's.
 
I tried 6 as well but didn't use the high C for anything else then some very guitarresk chord parts. But those parts sounded better when I played them on an ordinary Strat.

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« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2009, 08:49:08 AM »
I got that nine-string bass picture from www.beebasses.com.  They make some pretty cool stuff...I've got one of their Worker Bee 7's.
 
www.extendedrangebassist.com is also a pretty decent resource for those interested in these surfboard/skinned piano/low-C#-string-having/love-them-or-hate-them/airstrip fretboard basses...
 
Cheers!

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« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2009, 12:29:40 PM »
I prefer 8 strings...but I cheat!
 

 
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« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2009, 12:57:07 PM »
Lloyd, I so envy you that eight string.  I almost picked one up a year or two ago but it didn't work out.  What a beauty!
 
You know, I think Jean Beaudin is brilliant, but I was unimpressed by that Bill Dickens video.  I know Bill's a great player, but all that high speed left hand slappy stuff just doesn't do it for me without any tonality coming through.
 
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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2009, 02:12:19 AM »
I'm inclined to agree with you Bob. In fact, more and more on forums I'm seeing a backlash against the slapping speed merchants that are to be seen demonstrating their skills on youtube. The problem is, (from mine and other's point of view) the Bass is there to lay the foundation with the drums and back up the melody so as a solo 'clinic' instrument it's fairly handicapped. More and more when I go to Bass player gatherings my ears are bombarded with a tuneless barrage of slapped and hammered triplets that would play no part in any music ever written. This was considered such a problem after the first 2 UK bass days that the organisers arranged a 'house band' for the bass artistes that were performers. Sadly this doesn't stop all the virtuoso teenagers displaying their chops at full volume on the retailer's stands.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the efforts of people like Jean Baudin but again, in my opinion, they aren't bass players. In fact, maybe the word bass should be taken out of the name of these extended range instruments.
i also agree that Lloyds 8 sting is a thing of beauty. So much so that I'm seriously considering a 10 string exploiter body style in the next couple of years (special birthday present).
 
Graeme
 
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« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2009, 02:32:22 AM »
Jacko, thanks for the link to earlier thread, and jean Baudin sure does use an extended bass well, at least in the examples I heard...the Bill Dickens stuff; He's obviously talented, but the video I think illustrates something I've pointed out to people in the past...the low E on bass is a 28' long wavelength, even at the speed of sound, ya gotta let that bloom...Bill Dickens is better in the places where he slows down...Tony

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« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2009, 04:06:29 AM »
I'm inclined to agree with you Bob. In fact, more and more on forums I'm seeing a backlash against the slapping speed merchants that are to be seen demonstrating their skills on youtube
 
Some people I know, and this includes some guitar players I jam with, think thats what bass is all about.  I get people asking me to slap my way all the through a song or solo section too many times, and often times get looked at as if I have two heads when I tell them thats not my thing (you should see the looks I get when I tell people Im not that big of a Stanley fan either).
 
I'll slap a little bit here and to add emphasis to a certain part of a song, but the tonality you get from slapping just does not do it for me.  I much prefer the sound of fingers or a pick.

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« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2009, 08:50:08 AM »
Going back to multi strings,although not for me in the right hands they do sound amazing, Pat Metheny's multi neck acoustic sounds like a guitar orchestra and the first time I heard John McLaughlin play his Wechter 9 across 6 string in 1976 with Shakti, it blew me away.

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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2009, 10:05:48 AM »
Jean Beaudin uses his many-stringed instrument to accomplish things most people would play on a keyboard.  I think that's a good theoretical idea for what many of the musicians are trying to do with extra strings and non-standard playing styles, to shift to roles normally covered by different instruments.  Some of that speed slap is about taking over the role of percussion instruments.  That's the way I was looking at what Bill Dickens was trying to do.  I just couldn't get into the groove, and I don't think too many of us would be impressed if a drummer sat down behind a kit and laid down something that sounded like that.  
 
On the other hand, there are some great slap lines out there in the world that have texture and tonality.  I certainly didn't intend to blanket slap as the problem, just carrying it to the excess.  Flea's version of Higher Ground is great, and I could think of more if I took the time.  
 
Pushing the limits of an instrument is how players often earn immortality for genius.  Eddie Van Halen, Jaco, and Stanley, to name a few, did  things on their instruments that were unheard of before, or at least very rare, and brought them to the public.  Speed and accuracy are part of it, but speed for the sake of speed, while impressive, tends not to be musical.
 
-bob

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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2009, 12:49:59 AM »
It's funny; today at work in the pawnshop somebody was trying out one of our basses(new chinese Jay Turser)slappin' away in a corner acoustically...it took a while to realise someone was playing an instrument as opposed to rooting in the tool bin, then the realization that it hardly matters what you slap on, it'll sound about the same...
 
he obviously knew how to slap, but it surely wasn't part of any song or anything you share with others; you know, something you do by yourself...please...(I'm trying to imply something here without being rude or invoke the wrath of david...heehee)it just seemed non-musical, like some extreme guitar wanking...
 
There's a famous story about when Bill Bruford joined King Crimson, that Robert Fripp took away his cymbals to force him to think about where he fit into the tonal spectrum...
 
Likely for many of us, the open canvas is terrifying; where to start...put a few limits on things and the juices flow...maybe some of the heavy technicians need to play in bands for awhile to tame their genius...Tony