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« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2009, 03:38:18 PM »
I also agree it is sad that we cannot have just a friendly raffle or lottery among ourselves without worry about getting drawn and quartered or a public stoning  by our government just because they want a hand in the pie.
 
All I can tell you is that John's Music lawyer whose brother is a Civil attorney who for some time worked with the Gambling Commission in D.C. is doing some research about it and is going to let John know if it is possible, cost effective, permits needed etc...
 
So possibly we will have some answers by the weekend or monday. I hope we can get it worked out and if not then what can we say except we tried!

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« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2009, 07:05:21 PM »
The following is an off the cuff gross generalization of societies (large communities) and their laws, and is not a discussion of any law in particular.
 
This post also dangerously nears the realm of politics; and since the moderator finds such realm to be problematic, I shall endeavor to keep this discussion free of leanings either left or right.
 
Kevin; in my view, one reason we have such laws is that at some point in the past we as a society noted that unscrupulous people were taking advantage of others, and we as a society decided that having some rules would be a good idea.  While the raffle discussed here may indeed be among members who are enlightened and admirable, so many in the past were not, and thus we as a society felt that some rules were needed.
 
It's somewhat similar to the fact that you are probably an amazingly astute and safe driver; but experience has shown us that there are quite a few others who are not nearly as astute and safe as you are, and that thus it's probably a good idea to have traffic laws.
 
And yes the laws we end up with turn out to be a burden on some of us.  And the reason they get so convoluted is that each time we the people pass a law for the betterment of all, there will be those with money who will find very good attorneys to find loopholes for them; thus we are continually having to patch loopholes.
 
The speed limit signs on the side of the road would perhaps be more reasonable if they said Kevin and Dave - no speed limit needed, all others 55.  But it might be a bit impractical.  Thus we have to live with that particular burden as members of a society that overall benefits from speed limit laws.
 
I'm not an attorney, but in my work I deal with tax laws all the time.  The recent requirement that you obtain and retain a receipt for a charitable contribution over a certain dollar amount was not instituted because the IRS thought the printer industry needed to sell more toner.  Unfortunately there was a significant problem with some of our fellow citizens lying about their charitable contributions so that they would bear less of the cost of maintaining our country than the rest of us.
 
It's kind of like when you're at your computer and a spam email arrives in your email selling meds and you know that people are being taken advantage of, and you wonder why in the world can't these people be stopped.  Or perhaps an even better example is when your computer gets hit by a virus or trojan horse.
 
There are unscrupulous and selfish people who will try to take advantage of the rest of us.  Thus we as a society find it necessary to have rules, laws, the purpose of which is to make the functioning of our society better for all of us.  And yes, you are right; the laws in many areas have become so complex as to be incomprehensible.  But I don't think it is because we have failed as a democracy.  I think it is more because of the actions of those who would subvert the law for their own selfish ends no matter the cost to others.  For to allow such anti-social greed run rampant behavior to go unchecked would indeed be a failure of our democracy and personal freedom.
 
But yes, clearly there are laws on the books that should be revisited from time to time, cleaned up, rewritten, readdressed.
 
Of course that's just my off the cuff gross generalization view.  Others can quite understandably have differing perspectives.  And in fact, I'm sure my own perspective on such a complex and voluminous subject changes all the time.  I guess we as a society try to do the best we can for all of us.  It's cumbersome, and at times it's not very pretty; but we as a people do care for each other, so we continue to do our best for each other.

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« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2009, 10:05:35 PM »
that was well articulated, dave.

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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2009, 02:18:23 AM »
In my mind, the only voice that really counts here is the Mothership's and Mica has already said it's a no-go so I can't see the point in perpetuating the idea that john judge is going to get his lawyer to sort it all out. As a 'F'rnr' I'd probably have been excluded anyway, and as a I'm saving for my big birthday trip in a couple of years I've already excluded myself from any non-essential expenditure. Now where did I hide the kids' college fund?
 
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2009, 06:48:43 AM »
Good morning everyone,  just got back this morning and like I said for the record here if the Mothership doesn't feel the need for this to happen right now than I had already said that I wouldn't agree to take on a project without the support of Alembic's approval.
It sounds like on this post  we gave birth to a District Attorney while I was gone anyway! LOL!
Meanwhile my attorney has and will continue to gather some information on it in case things change down the road.
but for it is worth it was great to see all the response's here from the club and the coming together that happened. If I can be of any further assistance to anyone who needs help with a custom design or anything else, then please feel free to email me direct or post here. By the way lottery and raffles are illegal in Alabama and I believe he told me Wyoming also.
Just for the record this was not my originally my idea, but it was worth all the effort that went into it because, If I can make someone's dream come true for them to own a custom Alembic, I would feel like I gave birth to a new Bass player, cause when you have a Alembic it's one thing, but when you have a custom well...your playing seems to grow to super human ability
Why because you are expressing yourself on yourself to and with yourself, As the Artist you are ..You then have the ultimate brush..Your Custom Alembic Bass!..Go custom when you can! peace everyone Musically yours, and all the best to everyone here.. John Judge
 
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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2009, 07:14:16 AM »
If it's going to be a double neck how about a design based on the Old & the new alembic look such as my old #12,one Gleaming with antique Brass & the other with beautiful woods.....
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« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2009, 08:25:01 AM »
Dave,
 
I hear what you are saying, and to be fair, my job exists pretty much because Environmental Laws are needlessly complicated (so where would I be without them?). I think it is funny you mentioned traffic laws though.  I think this is one of the best examples of the law adhering to common sense.  If you don't drive on the right side of the road, you get hit.  Fail to stop for a signal, and you might hit someone else.  
 
On the other hand, in my line of work I assign codes designated by the EPA to hazardous chemicals so they can be properly disposed of.  Benzene alone might receive five different codes, based on whether it is used as a reagent, used as a solvent, unused (i.e. new), used but not as a solvent and present in flammable concentrations, or used not as a solvent, but still present at regulatory levels, or present below regulatory and flammable levels.  Funny thing is, the stuff gets burned in the same toxic waste incinerator regardless of the codes we apply (except for the stuff that isn't flammable, or in concentration above regulatory levels).  Fail to code it correctly though, and you can expect thousands of dollars in fines.  In the end, benzene is benzene.  Personally I do see this as a failure of the legislature that causes needless complication.  They may have started out with good intentions, but we all know about that road to hell.

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« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2009, 07:10:34 PM »
John, I was thinking the same thing.  There are many here who would love your input for their custom instruments to push some of the traditional limits.  If you're really willing to help, then I'm sure the occasional member could benefit from your expertise.  I'm sure that there are also plenty of members who would prefer a traditional Alembic instrument with all the history that comes with it.  If a raffle of sorts is ever held, the winner should be in a position to travel whichever path is preferred.
 
As a side note, there's another famous designer of custom Alembics who deserves equal respect.  Valentino has come up with some of the most beautiful and elegant shapes ever carved.  Here's hoping he's doing well out there, and that he remains an inspiration for future custom designs as well.
 
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« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2009, 07:38:43 PM »
This has been a fun and interesting thread to read and follow. Kudos go to all in sharing ideas, insight, input, enthusiasm, discretion, creativity, and proper decorum.  
 
It is good to be able to put ideas on the table for lively debate and discussion. The movement of ideas (dreams) toward reality is usually not an easy endeavor; but is the essence of civilization.  
 
My dream Alembic is a double-neck with a four or five string bass and a six string guitar. I think I have asked this before: is there such an Alembic? Have a great first weekend in May everyone!

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« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2009, 12:30:37 PM »
Very nicely put by David Ross I couldn't of said it any better myself!
The thought sharing process was great to show how a Club can interact in creativity , but also in concern for the safety of each other and as a group. The law is the law and we must abide by them or some lucky winner or promoter might of suffered from the outcome.
 
Anyway if things ever change I will post and let you all know...Until then happy posting!