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« on: April 15, 2009, 06:07:31 AM »
Just wondering if anyone here was using or had used Fender's TBP-1 pre-amp and had any words of wisdom about it. looking at the specs, it seems to have every feature I'm looking for in a pre-amp without all the unused bells and whistles my navigator has. (i'd have loved an ampeg svp-pro but since they've stopped making them they're as rare as hens teeth and I'm not sure I want to buy second hand).
If anyone cares to come up wityh alternatives, I'm open to suggestion. However, it must have...
. Tuner out.
. Mute - footswitch controlled
. Effects Loop
. 'simple' EQ section
. Tube 'drive'
 
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 06:37:24 AM »
Try typing this in Google:
 
Fender TBP 1 site:alembic.com
 
Couple of hits:
 
Favorite rack mount preamp
(http://www.alembic.com/club/messages/449/59058.html?1229781588)
 
Bag End vs. Eden
(http://www.alembic.com/club/messages/393/45154.html?1194021627)
 
What Amps Do You Use?
(http://www.alembic.com/club/messages/393/32867.html?1159026045)
 
SF-2 Superfilter, any alternative?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/393/30542.html?1156332266)

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 06:55:33 AM »
Graeme, I'd stay away from the F brand stuff. I would think that it's just SWR guts inside a different box(Fender bought SWR some time ago). It probably sounds pretty good(I've never heard one) but I have found once I moved away from mass marketed equipment I've had less problems.
 
 Same goes for the SVP-PRO, this is one I still own but don't use. It has nice features but an unusable D.I. Soundmen evrywhere hate those things and ended up handing me a d.i. box to use. It's too bad because it is a really great sounding pre amp.
 Check out the Demeter preamps www.demeteramps.com as they  have two great pre's with the features you're looking for except for a foot controlled mute switch. I got to check out the VTB-201S when I was shopping for a new pre amp (purchased Aguilar DB680) and it's got a great sound-almost SVT like but more refined. I chose the Aguilar over the Demeter since it had two bands of fully parametric e.q.. Demeter also has a model -HBP-1H that has two bands of semi-parametric e.q. which is defeatable. Oh and they both have an efx loop with controls on the front to blend the wet and dry signals! All this in a one space unit, Get Down!! Adam

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 08:14:56 AM »
Thanks for the replies guys. From adriaan's links It looks like Bob is the only one on here that uses the thing so it'll be interesting to see if he chips in.
Adam, the Demeter amps look great but I really do like the functionality that a footswitch adds, especially being able to switch in or out the eq sections mid song. The Aguilar looks excellent but it also looks way to pricey for me. In addition, it has a similar level of complexity to the Eden and that's what I'm trying to move away from. If only Ron had made the F1-X more 'stage-friendly' ;-(
 
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 08:53:48 AM »
Graeme - ever considered the F2-B?

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 09:29:00 AM »
Graeme:
 
Here's  a consumer review from harmony-central.com.
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 09:58:46 AM »
I don't believe the TBP-1 is in any way SWR product.  It is nothing like the typical SWR preamp nor does it have a similar tone.  In terms of features, the TBP-1 is an almost-F-1X combined with half of an almost-SF-2 and a couple foot switchable features.  If this thing were built by Alembic, it would be the perfect preamp, and I have asked Mica to consider an upgrade to the F-1X to modernize it with some of these useful features.  I don't believe Alembic has any plans to do so, though.
 
I believe your search turned up my previous comments.  In short, the TBP-1 is a useful preamp for live work with more convenience at a lower price than any of the premium boutique preamps.  I can get it to sound like a flat F-1X by boosting the treble just a bit, and that's good enough for my gigging.  
 
There are a handful of preamps that get great reviews, but some have different colors (colours for you, Graeme) that have people swapping between them as they search for tonal Nirvana.  The important things are how you plan to use it and what tone you are looking for.  In tone, the F-1X is pure.  There are a handful of other boutique models that are reported to be about equal to it.  There are other boutique models that inject tube warmth if that's more to your liking.  The TBP-1 aspires to be like the F-1X, but sounds just a bit muted on the top end without really sounding warm.  
 
The tube drive is the weakness as far as I can tell.  Maybe someone with more tube savvy could figure out what to put in there, or what settings to make, to get a tone I would find more useful out of it, but I haven't been able to.  If anyone has success, let me know how you did it!  I haven't been able to get a buttery tube tone out of it, it just breaks up harshly.  I admit not putting in too much serious time in trying to figure this out, though.  It may be the hot output of the bass is just coming through too strong right from the start.
 
If you're really looking at mid-song tone changes for live use, I will stand by the Line 6 products.  With a little bit of setup work, you can find a handful of of useful base tones.  Set these to be the A channels of individual banks and then modify the settings for EQ or effects and save these in the B, C and D positions.  Can't get any quicker and more repeatable tone changes than that.  It has a built-in tuner and mute, though you can't check your tuning without muting.  The XT model lets you send a separate clean signal out as well as the modeled/effected signal and can be had for a song on the used market.  The newer X3 model will let you put out two separate modeled/effected tones at the same time if you want to send that drive tone to a guitar amp separately from your core bass signal.
 
-bob

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 10:26:49 AM »
Bill, that seems a fair review from my experience.  I would take a point or two off for the drive circuit not doing what I want it to, but, again, that could be my inability to dial it in well.  
 
I also wouldn't question the reliability of a Fender product based on the low price.  I have no reason to question the reliability and mine has traveled to several dozen gig, including very hot and very cold outdoor jobs, without issue.

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 10:43:57 AM »
hah, by the title of this thread I thought you were going to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcCzj_yRtk
 
*warning* explicit language ;)

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 05:08:18 AM »
Thanks again guys. Looks like I need to have a listening session. The only problem appears to be getting a retailer to stock the thing in the UK.
 
Graeme

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 08:27:12 AM »
another fairly positive review here. From the sounds of things, the tube overdrive is 'mild' but I don't find the tube on the navigator that aggressive either.
 
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 09:34:17 AM »
Fender TBP-1 available on eBay right now - closing 4/21 8:30pm
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320360877043

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 12:22:30 PM »
Thanks fro the heads up Loch. Unfortunately I'm in the Uk and he doesn't appear to ship over here, plus it'll be 120 volts.
 
I've been talking to Fender UK and they're going to ship the only one in the country up to my local retailer for me to try out at my leisure. Even if it turns out to be rubbish (which I seriously doiubt) I'm impressed by the quality of the customer service. Perhaps they've been reading about Alembic ;-)
 
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 04:48:58 AM »
With apologies to Adam, I tried out the preamp yesterday afternoon and loved it. Straightaway I was able to get a nice fat, buttery tone, something that I've struggled to find with the eden. The overdrive is just enough for me (if not more than I need) and the Q section helps provide a nice kick at whatever frequency I want - most likely in the upper registers, this amp certainly isn't lacking in bottom. What I liked most was the simplicity of the controls - it's really easy to tweak a nob to get whatever tone I need.  Anyway, I liked it so much I bought it on the spot and ended up using it at rehearsal last night where, if anything, it just got better, especially at volumes that would send the eden into clanking mode. I've often commented on the thump that can be found in Eden's D210XST cabinets based on my experiences of using Mike Pisanek's F1x based rig. I can now state that the Fender preamp was giving me that thump through the EBS cabinets with the bonus of handling the top end really well too. All in all, ?500 well spent IMO. All I need to do now is spend some time tweaking my effects to get them sounding right - not a hardship ;-)
 
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 06:05:04 AM »
Graeme, great that it works for you!  I'm jealous that you can get a usable overdrive tone from it.  Can you post back what your various dial positions were?  I just go from clean to completely broken up when I bring the overdrive section in.
 
-bob