Author Topic: Bass players, some need to think outside the box  (Read 231 times)

olieoliver

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Bass players, some need to think outside the box
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 08:40:13 AM »
Thinking outside the box- Think creatively, unimpeded by orthodox or conventional constraints.
So if we all start Thinking outside the box the same way, doesn't that put us inside a different box. HMMMM  
 
While I am a proponate of approaching music with your very own unique style, I sadly concede to that fact that you'll get more work playing inside that box. At least in the venues that most players are gigging; clubs, private parties, session work, church.....
 
So, use the box to pay the bills and open it up and get of that box to be true to youself musically.
 
Good example of thinking outside the box.
 
 
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PS. Metronome is one of every bassist' (or at least should be)greatest tools.

bracheen

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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 10:31:51 AM »
Using a metronome always gave me fits.  Recently I've started practicing with a drum machine or a recording of a drum machine.  That works much better for me.  Much more comfortable and even fun.
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2009, 10:51:35 AM »
Hello, everyone! I waited to see what ya'll wrote before I chirped in. John you really hit on a point that I believe all bass players who have opportunity to solo, eventually come to understanding. they switched roles. I have played in a few groups in a few styles of music. Regardless of the type of music, it is very rare to find a chordal/lead player that will give as much attention to a bass players needs as the bassist gives to them. It leads to alot of frustration and sometimes ill will. I have experienced in the Jazz format, all the other players dropping out when it's the bassist's solo, sometimes the drummer hangs around. But if the Bass did that when a chordal instrument solo's(I am guilty of this trying to make a point) then all hell breaks loose. Why is there this inequality?Good Bass players study very hard to understand ALL of the music, not just the harmony.  
  John, I really like your points. Some of what I think you are saying is, stay in the box! Effects are cool, but too often a song needs the bass to be driving and regular. We can't all be Jaco, or Stan, and most bands can't handle one.  
  I hope we can all be happy with our self expression, and still make great music, as that is what it's all about
  John, your point about how Entwistle, broke up his pattern of 4/4 is an ancient Indian drumming technique that I have spent some time working on with a master mrdungum teacher/player from Bangalore. It has helped me immensely. Especially in odd time signatures. It has also allowed my brain to see and work in new ways that make 'the same old song' new and fresh with a new slant on the percussive aspects of my playing. Wonderful post, friends.    Nick

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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2009, 03:46:18 PM »
I don't know. To me, the ideal is that the player knows what they are capable of, what the song requires, and what the song allows. From there, it's a matter of delivering a performance within those parameters. Playing a really nifty line that catches the ear isn't the right thing to do when the vocal is supposed to be the instrument on display during a particular passage. Whether that line involves playing more notes or fewer, it's wrong if it pulls attention from what should be the focus. Whatever you play, the overall performance isn't all about your instrument and your part.  
 
Now, when the song allows the bass to stand out and you can do that within your skills while still providing whatever structure the song may require from you, go for it.  
 
I can appreciate the distinction that John makes with regard to the level of thought and skill that some of the players he observed were applying to the music. Which was their failing, though? Was it a lack of imagination, or a lack of the skill to play what they may have wanted to combined with the wisdom not to try? It's hard to know which if all your knowledge comes from the observation of a single performance unless there is sloppiness in evidence.
 
Some of those players could be brilliant, but they are just executing what their group wants to put forth. I've seen heavy metal guitarists who you would think knew about six chords and couldn't play more than four notes at a time. When not playing with their band, though, they might rip through some serious classical pieces, finger pick folk tunes, or who knows what else.
 
On the other hand, maybe the guys John saw are just guitarists who couldn't handle the extra strings. Don't be frustrated that everyone doesn't play like you. If they did, you wouldn't be special.
 
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2009, 03:48:07 PM »
I played cello solos when I first started bass, not at high speed but read the notes and played them.
Classical cello solos are great for stealing chops and there are thousands of them as midi files.
down load..open in Cubase or Cakewalk, hit the play button and follow as best you can, slow the tempo down so you can get it right.
great for improving reading skills and great for your own solos as I said, steal some bars and phrases.
The salsa band I am in are venturing into jazz, we jammed something up last week and did it tonight.
One chord..Gm7..every one solos over it including me and I come right out of the box.
we called it 'Pineapple Roots'

john_judge

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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2009, 04:10:34 PM »
Wow I am really impressed!...look at the size of information that came out of this post WOW! amazing and everyone is in agreement in some form or another, knowing when to play and not, using metronome training, staying in the box when necessary, coming out of the box to shine and learn, build your talent and arsenal of Chops for when that happens and go back to the normal working environment.
Bottom line here now I know why Bass players make great producers because we listen and hear for the backbone of structures and work our way up to the vocals in the mix and we are not afraid to lay back and play for that was what we were use to doing and now within these times, we have the tools to shine like never before..Bravo everyone I applaud you all as fellow Bassist, a great and interesting thread full of genuine input. peace to all....John
 p.s. Olie has the perfect visual example of outside the box , read all of the thread first and check it out I love the puzzle olie  Lol! you will laugh too!
 
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