Author Topic: The Flax has left the building (Read 1179 times)

peoplechipper · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:27:59 AM »

I really hope Flax stays;
This forum is a collection of friends and sometimes friends have to vent about the crap of their lives; as friends we should be here to listen to it and hopefully be constructive...
Being a public forum, it's best to think of here as being like an upscale bar; don't yell and throw things, discuss like civilized people...this place IS a community and all communities have their rabble(thank god) and this communitie's rabble is pretty polite and respectful on the whole...it's sorta funny that this whole company/forum/community was founded by Hippies and the Flax rift was started by a reaction to Totalitarian Capitalism run amok...
If all that was posted here was positive we'd have to change the company name to 'Stepford' or something...but we must try to be polite or constructive...anyway, please stay flax! and everyone relax a little!! a few rants won't destroy anything, but will likely make some people feel better, and the place where their friends are listening/reading is important...thank you all for letting me get my two cents in, Tony.

gyonnii · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:22:04 AM »

Hi everyone, just got back from visiting my uncle in Italy (Naples) and I had a great time there and of course had some great food.
Sorry to see some of the issues that came about from the Chinese thread, but expressing one's view is OK but not at the point of hurting others. Posting for me is to know when to stop and then tell myself point taken and be done with it.

I agree with Tony's comment of this being like a Bar and maybe Dave is like the internet Bartender who hears about your issues and problems and good news, but cross the line and the Bartender can call the bouncers, I mean that's how we should ( I feel) respect this place. As far as anyone not happy posting here, then just need to decide to leave or continue to post as a team here as great sources of information

cozmik_cowboy · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2009, 04:47:55 AM »

Myself, I sort of enjoy when a thread crosses the line, because then we get one of Dave's long posts; they never fail to be well-thought-out, to be well-written, and to make points that need to be made. The only problem with them is they remind me that I can only aspire to Dave's level of grooviness - I'm far too cynical to view the world as positively as he does. Thanks, Dave - you do a great job.
Jeff, we'll miss you. Play them in health & catch lots of fish.

Peter

pas · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:49:46 AM »

Totalitarian Capitalism run amok...

If you're gonna keep throwing chum in the water, don't be surprised if sharks come to the surface.

svlilioukalani · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2009, 05:52:21 AM »

I work in the field of psychology at a major hospital in the Pacific Northwest. I have specialized in group dynamics and conflict resolution. Yalam, the leading researcher of group dynamics, has determined; in most groups therapy situations, there is a member of the group who acts as a protagonist or an instigator. In group therapy this is very valuable as they are the one's who really get things going. This form is also a group as well as a community. We must also value these members as there the one's who make the form interesting.

But, all groups need a leader or moderator to regulate the behavior of the group members who are testing the limits of the stated goal of the group. I as well as our moderator have found that statements were made that clearly crossed the line of appropriate content. Statements' like,you oversensitive jerks, Some putz found it profane, spineless oversensitive morons, something retarded, and you've turned into an old close minded fart. This language seem way over the line to me. And I'm a f---ing sailor.

If the moderator was what Flax claimed him to be, this thread would not be here, and open to discussion. I am very impressed with his ability to not be baited into a conflict, and his attempt at understanding your anger.

I can't help but notice a pattern here. Weeks ago this member was discussing his inability to find people to play music with. It would appear, the man who started this post, may actually be the old close minded fart; who is lost the ability to play well and harmonize with others.

I do not wish to loose any member of our community. I hope that the man who's Personal Quote is once in a while you get shown the light, will someday see the light.

tbrannon · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2009, 07:07:50 AM »

I just read through this whole thread and checked the calendar... surely it must be April, 1st?

Seriously... this on the Alembic forum? I frequent a ton of online forums and help to moderate a fairly major NFL football forum- this is by far the most open minded, intelligent, respectful and friendly atmosphere to be found online. How hard is it to respect the peace that can be found here?

pocket8 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:31:40 AM »

Lengthy asides are parenthetical for greater ease of reading.

Folks, I have a thought that may have been kicked around before: if Alembic's forum on their website is an apolitical forum, but we find ourselves to be human enough to want to go outside the limits of the forum and engage in a discourse, possibly spirited, benevolent, or acrimonious, why can we not have a separate, un-endorsed forum for the political comments that people may have?

Specifically, why not construct such a page apart from the Alembic domain name that is outside Alembic's duty to permit or truncate specific comments?

(Semi-coherent rambling and ratiocination follows:

Such limits and efforts towards neutral posting are, to my way of thinking, legitimate and necessary because this forum is endorsed by a business that CANNOT in good conscience and WILL NOT take the liability to explicitly or implicitly endorse something and be litigated and be comprormised financially without letting all of its clients down; thank you for the safeguard you wonderful luthiers and aural-magicians in Nor-Cal!

I love my Spoiler dearly and I love gazing at all the rest of the Santa Rosa 4, 5, and 6-string progeny, AND it allows me great piece of mind that when I get my next paycheck I can finally get the '83 Zebrawood bop gun fixed up and flying high by those magicians who built it in the first place, but I also am staunchly in favor of free-speech and its consequences. Enough so that I have gladly maintained the attitude with a chip on my shoulder that is moderated only by Mill's belief that free speech should only be limited when it harms the collective good. This attiutde has cost me promotions, work, emotional comfort, and advancement academically when free speech has been suppressed in the face of good social graces or misused human authority. While I have refined this attitude as I mature, I believe the consequences of sticking up for free speech were worth it each time, and I thank the Man Upstairs that such a situation is NOT the case here on the part of Alembic.

I do not think Flaxattack ought to feel drummed out of the family's online community. I also think that comments that challenge values are legitimate, but there ought to be a separate and elective forum for them that is entirely separate from the Mothership to keep it safe. Further a group of moderators should be elected/ volunteered to run it so that different views are selected to endorse it and no one person is responsible or susceptible to criticizing when a post has been challenged or censored.

Come back Flax. Thank you Dave. Let's all be the family that we really are, and band together even if we tell each other to shut the F up sometimes.

Pocket 8

pocket8 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »

Lengthy asides are parenthetical for greater ease of reading.

Folks, I have a thought that may have been kicked around before: if Alembic's forum on their website is an apolitical forum, but we find ourselves to be human enough to want to go outside the limits of the forum and engage in a discourse, possibly spirited, benevolent, or acrimonious, why can we not have a separate, un-endorsed forum for the political comments that people may have?

Specifically, why not construct such a page apart from the Alembic domain name that is outside Alembic's duty to permit or truncate specific comments?

(Semi-coherent rambling and ratiocination follows:

Such limits and efforts towards neutral posting are, to my way of thinking, legitimate and necessary because this forum is endorsed by a business that CANNOT in good conscience and WILL NOT take the liability to explicitly or implicitly endorse something and be litigated and be comprormised financially without letting all of its clients down; thank you for the safeguard you wonderful luthiers and aural-magicians in Nor-Cal!

I love my Spoiler dearly and I love gazing at all the rest of the Santa Rosa 4, 5, and 6-string progeny, AND it allows me great piece of mind that when I get my next paycheck I can finally get the '83 Zebrawood bop gun fixed up and flying high by those magicians who built it in the first place, but I also am staunchly in favor of free-speech and its consequences. Enough so that I have gladly maintained the attitude with a chip on my shoulder that is moderated only by Mill's belief that free speech should only be limited when it harms the collective good. This attiutde has cost me promotions, work, emotional comfort, and advancement academically when free speech has been suppressed in the face of good social graces or misused human authority. While I have refined this attitude as I mature, I believe the consequences of sticking up for free speech were worth it each time, and I thank the Man Upstairs that such a situation is NOT the case here on the part of Alembic.

I do not think Flaxattack ought to feel drummed out of the family's online community. I also think that comments that challenge values are legitimate, but there ought to be a separate and elective forum for them that is entirely separate from the Mothership to keep it safe. Further a group of moderators should be elected/ volunteered to run it so that different views are selected to endorse it and no one person is responsible or susceptible to criticizing when a post has been challenged or censored.

Come back Flax. Thank you Dave. Let's all be the family that we really are, and band together even if we tell each other to shut the F up sometimes.

Pocket 8

hydrargyrum · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2009, 11:26:41 AM »

I do not think Flaxattack ought to feel drummed out of the family's online community.

To be fair, Jeff is welcome here any time (unless I am much mistaken). He has chosen to leave because he disagrees with the moderator and dislikes the opinions of some of the club members (myself included). I've always enjoyed Jeff's posts, and truly bear him no ill will. I've enjoyed watching his custom builds, and can remember his fishing threads, and when he lost his cat. I think he should come back, but that is his choice.

pocket8 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2009, 06:01:05 PM »

Ahoy Alembicians,

I want to start by saying that I am grateful that I can post amongst you folks, and that I genuinely hope that everything is as well as can be with you all.

I also believe that Flaxattack is welcome to post where and when-ever he feels like it, but I don't believe that the variety of some of the language used to describe Flax's departure or the reoccuring tone or aspects of his posts is conducive to entreating him back into this online society should others really want him to come back. In short, Flax may not feel that his views are truly welcome in this medium given the tone this thread is taking.

Because written language can be (mis-)read without the benefit of the tone of voice that can frame and help to deliever the message itself, implying that someone is a fascist or an old fart in type solves nothing because the content and intent of the message is going to be lost in the use of ancillary words and phrases. I think this developing trend undermines the decorum of this group of talented and thoughtful musicos.

My point is not to tell people that they ought to or ought not to flip out on someone or that they ought to censor themselves as colorfully as they feel appropriate.

My point is that a different and independent forum that is moderated by several members of the Alembic playing community may be a better choice for more assertive online contact because I feel that posting on the website implicates the that the Mothership DOES acquiesce to the tone or content of threads such as these in spite of any disclaimer to the contrary.

Truthfully, in reading the initial post in this thread and some of the responses it has generated, I feel that things are fraying a bit. I do not mean to be a self-contained, pain in the butt moral beacon, because I certainly am not, nor am I here to pass John Judge-ment (a small play on words for levity that I hope works as I envision; if not, Mr. Judge, please forgive me!). I simply feel that it is time for this thread to close because I am not sure it is serving any other purpose than allowing division and derision to creep into the community.

Honestly, I hope I am not angering anyone, as it is not my intent to do so, but merely to voice a hope that we can move this discussion to a different and independent forum that is more removed from this site.

Thank you for letting me say my peace.

So...how about those Padres? (Said as he goes from the frying pan of religion and politics into the fire of professional sports!)

Cheers and best wishes.

flaxattack · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2009, 09:52:34 PM »

no jet- maybe youre the asshole...
look in the mirror instead of throwing it back at me insinuating i have issues when you dont know the situations.

i think people have THE right not to put up with being shit on.

i have a low tolerance for bullshit which many members of this site are experts on.

i dont care where it comes from.

toma_hawk01 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2009, 10:40:15 PM »

I think Flax should stay. I want to jam with him one day.

Flax, you up to it?

For someone who owns all those expensive beautiful basses, and has such a strong opinion on everything, must be a damn good bass player...

Hey, you even said my Toma_Hawk bass was ugly too. No harm done, it's cool. At least I know where you are coming from... I have much respect for someone who speaks their mind freely.

May Peace be onto you, Jeff.

(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on August 04, 2009)

jbybj · « **Reply #42 on:** August 05, 2009, 12:52:24 AM »

o jet- maybe youre the asshole...
look in the mirror instead of throwing it back at me insinuating i have issues when you dont know the situations.

i think people have THE right not to put up with being shit on.

i have a low tolerance for bullshit which many members of this site are experts on.

i dont care where it comes from.

Hey Flax! You're back!

pas · « **Reply #43 on:** August 05, 2009, 04:42:57 AM »

Stay or go...but please spare us the cursing. Thanks!

jet_powers · « **Reply #44 on:** August 05, 2009, 05:37:59 AM »

Hey Flax! You're back!

Maybe I am as you say. It wouldn't be the first time I've been so called. Can that many people be wrong? I can only go by what I have read here and if you read a little closer you'll see I am not the only one to make such an insinuation and further, I stated I don't know. I do know you aren't the only one around here with a low BS threshold...

Glad you took glocke's advice and hope you stick around.