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terryc

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2010, 03:04:06 PM »
Jeeze...where and who taught him!!!
very Alain Caron style..looks like a Status 6'er
Toma_hawk...are you kicking the kids playing 'cos he is better than Larry Graham?? if you are shame on you..we need kids like this to keep the art alive.
Again where on earth did he learn to do that at such a young age??   Astounding!!!

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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2010, 03:57:38 PM »
Terry that's absolutely absurd, and would be completely out of my character to imply such meaning from your assertions with such very few words I used.
 
First of all...
 
The young child is awesome, and it puts a deep joy in my heart (even above your wildest imagination...) on how proud I was to listen to this child whale, and control his bass using slap, pop, and thumping techniques invented by Larry Graham.
 
Again, I say Thank GOD for Larry Graham, because POP, SLAP, and Thump was his gift to the world of bass players FOR FREE, and yes future bassist too.  
 
If you thump your bass... Larry Graham  
If you Pop strings on your bass... Larry Graham
If you Slap your strings, on your bass... Larry Graham.
 
If you turn on your lights, not Larry Graham, thank GOD for Thomas Edison for this...LOL!  
 
FUNK LIVES ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION!  
 
Makes sense this time?
 
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 04:10:30 PM »
Nice playing, there shows the clear benefits of learning an  instrument young. Can you imagine what music will be coming from him when he reaches maturity on that instrument.
 
I'll certainly be watching out for his music in the future.
 
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2010, 05:19:48 PM »
I'm sure you've seen this, but I just totally love this:  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq8VZDz5lEc

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2010, 05:42:15 PM »
Yo, Hal. Just a friendly correction. Thump, Pop, and Slap ALL come from the Jazz era 40-50 years before Larry started playing. Even for the Electric bass this was not new. It just became popular, via Larry. Monk Montgomery did some of this in 1957 for Blue Note, with his brother Wes. But, I digress. The Early Jazz bass players used these techniques for various tones, Vibe, and feel. Also for Volume. Ask me how I know and I will introduce you to Albert, a 103yr old touring bass player who showed me his technique, when he was a young man of 90. In the days before pick-ups, when the big band was kickin', the bass was still heard!!!!!!!
 
 
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2010, 06:03:02 PM »
Now that I've gotta see.  
 
But this is an interesting debate. You're talking about slapping an upright bass, right? Yeah, they slapped it. But to what extent are we talking about something unique to electric? Were they imitating a drum pattern? Isn't that the defining characteristic of slap funk?

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2010, 06:41:27 PM »
Nick , That slap double bass technique is really a trip . I have seen it live as well and it really makes the acoustic  double bass project in a most amazing way. I have an old friend who can do it . I like hearing it in a walking style. Those kind of chops are the ones that are handed down the generations by players  like your friend  Albert. Very cool.

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2010, 07:15:29 PM »
More love, with knowledge. My mind is always open for correction my brother...
 
Yes, I understand during the 40's and 50's bass players would take their upright basses, and slap them like a drum, and or pull the strings hard; literally dance; and twirl their basses on its axes while playing swing, jazz, and 1950's Rock n Roll (similar to the 80's band bassist Lee Rocker of the Stray Cats, did).  
 
As history would unfold... the first electric bass was created by Leo Fender, and patented in 1951 (right here in California, USA). So before 1951, the upright bass was all there were.  
 
It's interesting to note, the Fender Statocaster was created after his electric bass, in 1954 and later the Telecaster in 1955.  
 
(How much is a 1953 Strat worth?) $0.00
 
Leo Fender would select Monk Montgomery to first play his new bass invention, called the Fender P.  
 
This is true.
 
Yes, I agree...
 
Monk Montgomery did play the electric bass in ways known just now crafted by commercially famous artist., and I was made aware, his brother Les Montgomery, also done some innovative, and interesting things with the bass too.    
 
The Montgomery Brother played the bass as a lead instrument decades before Stanley Clarke.    
 
I too have family elders, who inspired me with tons of facts which are held true. Monk did pop the strings with Leo's basses and you can hear it in his recordings, but he used a pick, thus it was too premature to define the sound, for it was more subtle, smoother, melodic, jazzy and frankly, not funky at all.  
 
Larry Graham, bass was flamboyant, powerful, strong, physical, and FUNKY ER and was first pioneer of what a FUNK would follow.
 
The child in the video, I say proudly is the next generation, if he continues playing.  
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 26, 2010)

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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2010, 07:43:35 PM »
So, I've been looking around and found some nice examples. The one that I found that I like the best is this Cab Calloway song.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44pyeEvhcQ
 
This one is for you, Bill tgo.
 
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2010, 08:04:15 PM »
Fab.

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 08:16:06 PM »
I wouldn't really compare upright slap to electric ( and I would also submit that the best examples of upright slap are in bluegrass ). anyway, off topic but have you guys heard Charnette Moffett slap with his bow on upright? kinda gimmicky, but its insane. I couldn't find a video of it but he's got a bunch on YouTube, so I'm sure theres one somewhere.  
either way, I'd say as far as modern electric slap and funk bass in general goes, most of it is Larry Graham. IMHO.

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2010, 08:23:08 PM »
ha! found one!
this is with one of McCoy Tyner's bands from 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwE49Vta2CY&feature=related
 
sidenote: eric harland is a beast.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2010, 08:39:08 PM »
I can dig what the bass player is doing. I like it;  it's fromPlanet New.

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2010, 09:36:12 PM »
That was great.

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2010, 09:43:04 PM »
...Albert, a 103yr old touring bass player who showed me his technique, when he was a young man of 90.
Buy that man a beer for me, would you?
And no, Leo Fender did not create the first electric bass, just the first commercially succesful one.
 
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