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terryc

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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 06:24:31 AM »
Coltrane is a equal genius along with Miles and you are right darkstar01..Ascension is a difficult record to listen to, I much prefer 'Giant Steps', 'Love Supreme' etc.
Listening to different music is education, I always say to young players, don't play the same music all the time, learn a little of some other stuff and you can guarantee you will get more dep work but don't give up your goal of being the best rock/jazz/funk/soul/C&W etc player in the world.

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 09:07:48 PM »
The time period in which Bitches Brew was created, was exactly around the time Miles was entering a new musical direction.  
 
Anytime you break off into something new, it's suppose to be least understood by the masses and if blessed, the author is also lost of knowing where the journey takes him.  
 
At which point, musical unpredictability, and random sounds opened up a series of improvisations, where Jazz had finally reached a point, created it's own chaos. When music comes to this level, like in similar ways we try to understand how this earth was created... big bang theory or what have you, we know out of chaos, a new system, or organization (from the chaos) is born.  
 
I call it the period when Jazz was in chaos to give new life to a new art called: Fusion Jazz.
 
At this point in time, I believe the life-cycle of Fusion Jazz has come to a point of diminishing-return and it needs it's own new Bitches Brew (if you know what I mean...). Once the alarm is loud enough musically the chaos will return. I hope to live long enough to hear it, but I don't think there's anyone on Mile Davis level nor who would dare have the guts. The music industry to say the least, was happy to see Miles Davis leave the seen in my naked opinion because he was shaking the tree too much, and the industry makes its money on stability and easy conceptual, musical designs. To listen to Miles Davis, requires a sense of musical and spiritual liberation from the J Edgar Hovers of the worlds. Yes, you would very hard pressed to find anybody from Souls-ville USA not loving Miles personal, and musical struggles which people now-of-days; take for granted. Miles opened up so many opportunity for young musicians. I believe Gil Evans contributed to the chaos too.
 
However for me, it was the worst day in Jazz History. There will never be anyone coming close to Miles shadows in music.  
 
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 09:16:24 PM »
When music is of a No Mystery to the author, its commercial, and very predictable in trying to communicate with a familiar and very established and well organized media.  
 
I don't believe Jazz should ever be predictable. Therefore, like the Great Leader of Jazz tried to explain, Jazz should always be a mystery... I love Bitches Brew's message.  
 
I am pleasantly reminded by Allan Holdsworth's song In The Mystery which stimulates my psyche to know Jazz should always be a mystery.  
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
 
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on July 02, 2010)

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 08:27:00 AM »
Sort of. Isn't one's philosophical understanding of music separate from one's appreciation of it?  
 
I like On the Corner and In a Silent Way a lot. Can't stand Bitches Brew.
 
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 09:07:07 AM »
All in all , Miles really stuck his neck out during this phase in his carrier . He received mixed feelings  and reviews and lots of flack from traditionalists of his time.  God Bless Miles , he gave many a young player the opportunity to make them selves known and gain exposure. Miles was an explorer in an unexplored territory of time and space sound and experience. Miles is a still a Hero in the world of innovation and is alive and well in the pulse  and spark of improvisational and notated Music.  Miles is forever !   Miles is the man ________    Who Knows ,___Miles Davis  might even be jamming on  a Dark Star  jam  with Jerry Garcia  as I write this !

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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2010, 03:30:55 PM »
Allan Holdsworth's song In The Mystery  
 
In the mystery
In the mystery
 
Just like a shadow at the Jet Cafe
The secrets of life in his attache
The clue to the ancient symbols of power
That fell to earth in a meteor shower
(In the mystery)
 
I am the one who lives in your dreams
At nighttime I'm out reliving me
No earthly restrictions to hide what I see
'Cause I live out in the mystery
 
Does the world change when I open my eyes?
Do dreams cause matter to synthesize?
Are these questions answered when I'm asleep?
Somewhere deep in the mystery
 
Chorus:
In the mystery (In the mystery)
In the mystery (In the mystery)
In the mystery (In the mystery)
 
Stunned by the sirens of the secret police
There was no time, he must retreat
He ran for the shore of the astral sea
Into the cave of the mystery
 
He heard their voices from outside the cave
In his sanctuary he was no slave
They offered him riches beyond belief
But none worth more than the mystery
 
(Chorus)
 
[Guitar solo]
 
Does the world change when I open my eyes?
Do dreams cause matter to synthesize?
Are these questions answered when I'm asleep?
Somewhere deep in the mystery
 
(Chorus)  
 
A Lovely Song... I think of Great minds (who once lived) when I listen to this song...
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2010, 04:08:42 PM »
I've got to say I bought Bitches Brew in Vinyl as well as Ascension.....
I loved BB but Ascension was a drug crazed session of crap that sold on name alone.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2010, 04:54:18 PM »
Hugh, that's interesting that you don't like BB but like On the Corner. I can't stand On The Corner, although it may be the mix. That freakin' hihat just drives me nuts after a while. I'd love to be able to remix that album. I agree with you about In A Silent Way, though. Great album!
 
I have a quadrophonic copy of BB on vinyl. Too bad I've never had a decoder to hear it that way. It would be fun if they reissued that mix on DVD-A.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2010, 05:20:07 PM »
nnek, it's funny you say that... considering the fact that there was probably far more drug use going on during the recording of bb than there was ascension (seeing how it's well documented that miles' electronic work almost directly coincided with his massive cocaine habit). 'trane started both sessions with a prayer, kind of like a love supreme. yeah, he probably ate some acid, too.
but to call it crap is a bit far. if you don't like it, fine. but that record is pretty important to some people, myself included.  
miles was a genius, sure.. but coltrane is god.

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2010, 08:47:32 PM »
I thought Clapton was god.
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2010, 11:08:26 PM »
haha, sorry bill, but i don't think even clapton has this:
http://www.coltranechurch.org/
 
(and ftr, i realize they don't think he's god).

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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2010, 06:41:58 AM »
Sorry folks.. Bitches Brew has gone in the trash..it annoyed me too much!

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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2010, 07:16:08 AM »
who throws cd/records away? just donate it to the record store or something.

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2010, 07:25:18 AM »
That's OK Terry , I can not expect everyone one to like everything.
The recording is immortal and we still love you . You are a brave man for your honesty. I respect honesty and I think MIles would as well.
 Miles was able to effect you with this recording by your reaction to it. That is how Art is ; you either like it or do not like it. That said ; it's ALL cool .  Ok all __________.

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2010, 08:47:11 AM »
If that CD could talk, it would sing this song to those who tossed it...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y99tXNxV5s
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-