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funkyjazzjunky

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« on: April 27, 2010, 06:52:01 AM »
I was listening to satellite radio and heard a great song by (something about trucking) by the Grateful Dead. The only other tune I know of theirs is a tune I used to see on MTV in the 80?s that did not impress me.  
 
Who can recommend some tunes as a good way to be introduced to their essence? I am not concerned about the greatest hits as much as the best material.

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 06:57:58 AM »
The essence of the Dead is to listen to all of their material, which takes a lifetime.  They are renowed as a jam band, check out the serises known as Dick's picks - bootlegs that band did not object to.  Keep truckin' even with a touch of grey!!!
 
BTW all rock jam bandsowe the Dead for their influence.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 07:01:57 AM »
The first Live  Dead  / Working Man's  Dead   / American  Beauty     These Albums are required in my music appreciation  class  as home work listening .  I hope you enjoy them !
 
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 07:19:10 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 07:20:44 AM »
Terrapin Station and Reckoning are two I have come back to lately. But Steve is absolutely correct...the Dead's live sets (Dick's Picks in particular) are a gem for the ears and mind. Enjoy and give us some feedback/thoughts/perceptions after listening.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 07:53:34 AM »
I've been enjoying the Dead for about 40 years now, and I agree that Dick's Picks are a good way to get the real flavor for what they were about.  The problem, though, is that you sort of need to now *how* to listen to the Dead before you can really see the magic.  Yes, you can enjoy the tunes, but it's sort of like classical music -- knowing a bit more about it really helps to understand what's going on.  In many ways, great Dead jams are sometimes like classical music in that a theme may start early on, while the music slowly changes into a variety of different arrangements, sometimes with the theme present in an understated way, and then returning to the theme.  Or morphing into something completely different, but in a smooth, uninterrupted, and often unintentional way that still somehow seems to be exactly right.  These jams can go anywhere -- they were unscripted.  So you could say it was less classical-like and more like the jazz of coltrane and davis, where thematic bits get rejumbled and mixed as the bandmembers lead each other down different paths culminating in all of them bringing things together.  Of course, this is just my take on the thing.
 
My point is only that to really appreciate this stuff, starting in with a deep jam from say a '74 Dick's Pick's may not be the most readily approachable way to get into it.  Or LiveDead, from early '69 -- a true classic but again perhaps not the most approachable if you've never listened to them before.  Instead, I'd recommend something like Europe '72 for its mix of easily picked up songs like Mr. Charlie, Tennessee Jed, Brown Eyed Women, and Sugar Magnolia, along with some sweet jammin out of Truckin which really shows the meandering among the musicians quite well.  Not to mention the glorious China Cat > Rider and a magnificent Morning Dew.  A lot of great material on this one, easily approached and easily appreciated.  Or perhaps Skullf*** from early '71, with Bertha, Not Fade Away > Goin Down the Road, and a monstrous Other One with Phil's bass thundering.  (Funny, much of that album comes from the Fillmore East run in April '71, and that Other One was recorded 39 years ago tomorrow -- yikes, I feel old).  Then when you've caught the bug, start in with the Dick's Picks.  Or check out the community on etree or others  -- I used to trade a lot of tapes, but now I've got brilliant recordings essentially complete for every show from '67-77, then selected shows from other years.
 
Again, just my own ramblings on the subject.
 
Mark
 
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tubeperson

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 08:09:03 AM »
Mark makes very valid points, I think it would be fascinating to see how different journeys of listening influence what we ultimately prefer.  An analogy would be James Bond.  Your favorite one tends to be the first one you saw play the role.  Fans of the original run of Dr. Who episodes have expereinced this as well.  Europe 72  is a fine album, but some of what makes the Dead so great is their willingness to allow the release of weaker performances.  Fans of jazz improvization accept this (not willingly of course but we are all human (Even the creator had a flood!).  
 
What is so awesome about this forum is the diversity of expereinces and opinions that we can all grow from.  One of my teachers in improv (when I was a lad of course) stressed it was just as important to be aware of how to play what we do not like, just so we can either avoid it or figure out a way to alter it to meet our own tastes and then enjoy it. Keep up the positive dialogue it is a great learning base for all of us!!!

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 08:48:31 AM »
This comes from someone who is most definitely not a Dead head, but none the less still enjoys some of their more accesible material.  
 
I would recommend Workingman's Dead for a studio offering.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 09:45:01 AM »
Working Man's Dead and American Beauty get my vote also.  They're great albums, and much more accessible than thousands of hours of live shows (although previous posters are correct, the live material really is the essence of the Dead).

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2010, 10:49:11 AM »
I agree with Wolf and others above that Live Dead, Workingman's Dead, and American Beauty are a good place to plug in for first timers and newbies.  Another I'd add to the list of more accessible Dead material is Europe '72.  A nice combo of songs and jams.  Bottom line: There was nothing like a Grateful Dead concert, or, as Bill Graham painted on the side of Winterland after it closed: They're not the best at what they do, they're the only ones who do what they do
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 11:22:29 AM »
I love Jack Straw (from Europe '72)! Both Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir have alternating vocal parts. Weir describes the tune as sort of a novella. It's the bee's knees.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 11:29:30 AM »
Good call Bill.  Europe '72 is also a great album.  I have a special fondness for that version of Me and My Uncle.  My own uncle was a scoundrel, and ran afoul of the law many times. He didn't leave me any gold though.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2010, 12:57:58 PM »
me and my uncle isnt on europe 72 its on the the skullf--- album which was one i was going to throw into the hopper.  
 
i would also highly recommend dozin at the knick cd's. brents blow away will blow you away.  
also the terrapin live cd from phils birthday show is a nice intro cd. imho

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 02:02:18 PM »
My 1st Dead LP was Live/Dead, my 2nd was Workingman's Dead; it worked for me.  To recommend a starting place for you, I'd rather know more about your tastes/interests (wild jamming vs. exquiste songs, etc.), but I have no qualms saying whatever you do, DO NOT start with either Steal Your Face or Shakedown Street!  But do go into it knowing there really isn't a musical form you won't hear influences of somewhere in their stuff, and that the most apt description I've ever heard is Micky Hart's: using a rock lexicon with a jazz syntax.
BTW, Steve, I first saw John Pertwee as the Doctor, but prefer Tom Baker by far - though I will go to my grave insisting that Connery is the only Bond.
Also, I feel I should add that I don't have a problem with Vince per se - there are times when nothing but Don't Touch Me There will do.  I just didn't think he fit well with the Dead.
(edit: Oops - I just realized that last sentence was written with another thread in mind.  Oh, well, like a t-shirt I saw on a high school kid yesterday said, I'm right 97% of the time.  Who cares about the other 4%?)  
 
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2010, 05:58:37 PM »
Peter:
 
I've never heard that particular Mickey Hart description before, but for years I've been describing the Dead's thing as a jazz approach using rock 'n roll tools.  I guess great minds think alike. (or maybe it's that twisted minds think alike!) lol
 
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