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skydigger

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« on: December 02, 2007, 12:18:57 PM »
From the August 1989 Guitar Player
 
Although [John] was happy with the bright, clear tone of the Alembics, and assortment of inconveniences ultimately forced him to move away from the instruments after more than a decade. ?Unfortunately, the basses were very sensitive to the climate changes on our tour schedules, and I?d spend as long as a half-hour before every gig making adjustments. Also, I grew tired of the bloody 5-pin Cannon jack and transformer box I had to use with them. What finally put me off was when we did Live Aid. Right before we were to play, my main bass went dead because I?d accidentally crossed some wires while changing the battery. I ran for the backup bass but couldn?t tune it because there were no transformers backstage.
 
At that point we were introduced, and I barely managed to get back onstage in time to start ?My Generation.? If you listen closely to the video, you can hear me tuning the D string as we go. I just about got it in tune in time for the bass solo. I sold the main bass to the Hard Rock Cafe ? that was its punishment.?
 
Why would an Alembic be any more sensitive to the climate than any other bass?

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 01:16:50 PM »
no comment ... I would can agree that Alembic are high sensibility instrument...

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 01:46:53 PM »
Huh. I've had my Excel for almost 3 years now, played her in numerous venues is all kinds of weather and atmospheric conditions, and I've never had the truss Rod cover off. Guess it may vary from instrument to instrument, but no more than any other brand.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 02:31:29 PM »
Nothing's perfect........

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 02:44:46 PM »
Yeah, I read that article about JE some time ago. I can only guess that when you are dealing with a living material like wood this is the sort of thing that can happen. I had a Jaydee bass back in the day and the neck had a life all of its own..eventually ended up bent like a banana! What a pain it was.
 
I also have a Fender Jazz bass that has a neck that moves a bit from time to time..you just have to stay on top of it adjustment wise!  
 
I think in JE's case this is an extreme example. Personally I think its a lot down to luck, no two pieces of wood behave the same after all!
 
In my opinion the best tone JE ever had was his Alembics. He was a great bassist and a good man, but what a luxury it must have been to be able to simply sell off one of your custom built Alembic axes simply to spite it!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 03:04:17 PM »
Keep in mind that JE played with incredibly low action.  I had an opportunity to chat briefly with him back in the 90's and he told me that he quit using alembics because he wanted to move to graphite necks for their stability...
 
John

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 05:39:01 PM »
When I was out at the Mothership to discuss my custom with Susan and Mica, Susan told me that John used an action that was unusable to just about everyone except himself.  She told me a story about how they had made an instrument for him, and were going to deliver it to him at a venue not far from the factory.  The action was insanely low (and also, his fingerboards on his Alembics were completely flat, no radius), and no one could play it without it buzzing all over the place.  Susan told the tech who'd be going with her to deliver it to bring his toolbox just in case.
 
They got there, took the bass out of the case, handed it John, and he started doing Won't Get Fooled Again.  Susan asked if any adjustments were necessary, and he said no, it was fine.
 
My view is that if one likes action that low, one will have to put up with changes in the weather, humidity, etc. in order to achieve it with a wooden instrument.  My guess is action that low is very unforgiving of any number of changes, and I imagine John just felt the effort wasn't worth it.  Most of us don't use an action that low, so it isn't as much of an issue for us as it was for John.
 
I'd love to know what kind of action he used on Fenders, Gibsons, etc.  Those instruments, IME, are much more difficult to dial in to low action than Alembics, but that's just me.
 
Alan

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 05:51:56 PM »
The Alembic Distillate I owned in the early 90's was a disaster...I finally sold it in disgust after about 5 months..for $350. That being said, I've played JE's 76 Series I and after sitting in a case at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for a decade the action was still insanely low and although the strings were beat it played well. So I imagine it varies from instrument to instrument... I do use graphite-necked Status basses, no truss rod, low action, no problems. JE throughout his career was always saying things like I like my strings on the other side of the frets,etc. and all of the various basses of his I've played have had really low action though I assume that the action got lower as the instruments got more sophisticated. He set up his instruments himself so I imagine a moving neck would have been very frustrating to him.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 09:33:03 PM »
You sold a Distillate for $350 in the 90's?? Wish you had called me

borisspyder

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 01:14:28 AM »
i'm getting old...maybe mid to late 80's? Rest assured be glad you missed it, you would have had to be setting up the neck every 4 to 5 hours.
Also, a BTW to Alan, the buzzard necks are not completely flat, they have a 16 radius, it's not much, but he obviously chose to move away from no radius at all as time went on.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 04:54:50 AM »
I guess that is how JE got that rattly tone on his solos. Low action is good to prevent repetitive strain injury but if it is that low the neck is going to bow under the truss rod tension.
I think if you are going to have it that low then polymer graphite necks are the only option as they are going to stay rigid no matter what tension is put on them.  
borisspyder - A distillate for $350, that about ?275 sterling..you must have had a momentary lapse of reason..even the most cheapest basses are playable if they are set up correctly, I cannot believe Alembic would make such a bad bass..in what way was it a disaster??
Was the neck bent?, did the electronics not work?, I mean how much can go wrong with them..they are built very well and have every adjustment parameter you could ever wish for!!
Did you sek advice from Alembic themselves??

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 06:25:21 AM »
Sometimes people just want the quick money...I've seen a Coco-bolo Long scale SeriesI in a pawn shop back in the 80's for $450.00 i ran home to get a down payment & as i walked back in the pawn shop this guy was walking out with it!

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 08:04:22 AM »
Keavin - Those days are gone!  My 1972 Alembic came from a pawn shop too.  $350.00
 
Michael

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 09:16:52 AM »
Neck wouldn't stay straight for even a few hours. This was pre-internet days, and for some reason even though I called Alembic several times for assistance they never got back to me with any help. I don't really know why, the customer service seems pretty good now. Anyway, I was pretty disappointed and just basically gave it back to the shop on 47th Street that sold it to me. I didn't care so much about the money, I bought it because Entwistle played an Alembic and you can't imagine how badly I felt that the instrument was unplayable.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 10:38:54 AM »
The earliest Spoilers were really kind of sucky instruments, in my opinion, compared to the later iterations.  I played a few of them back when they had decals instead of silver logos on the headstock, and didn't like them at all.  The first one I played was also the first solid-color finish I'd seen on an Alembic.  It was black.
 
John