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« on: February 08, 2008, 04:35:49 AM »
Hi brother bassists and Alembic lovers,
 
I received the Dean Jeff Berlin custom ( the feature of my previous thread to be or not to be ) two days ago and it arrived with, as expected issues.
 
This was fine by me as I had decided after years of paying luthiers to do my set-ups etc that I was going to give it a go myself (armed with my Dan Erlewine book!)
 
The bass was a ebay special and I bought it as it was cheap and I had never seen a JB model for sale in the UK before. I noticed stright away that the action was very high, the strings were heavy guage and that the neck was at a weird angle! It was also filthy. The previous owner had paid to have the original gold bad-ass 2 bridge and schaller tuners replaced with a black bad-ass 1 and black Gotoh tuners. Also, an EMG active onboard pre-amp had been added to the Bartolini pickups.
 
The previous owner actually included all of the original hardware with the sale..just as well as it turned out! For the first time in my life, I completely stripped the bass down into its componant parts - determined to get to the root of the neck issue and clean this baby up!
 
Off came the neck and right away I found the reason for the strange angle - two wooden shims at the body end of the neck cavity. On studying the parts I noticed that the black bad-ass 1 was very different in dimension from the original gold bad-ass 2..the strings were simply sitting much further away from the body and couldnt be lowered as much as the bad-ass 2 would allow! The shims were being used as a kind of extra adjustment...they had to go!
 
The obvious thing to do after this was to re-fit the original hardware, so off came the all of the black hardware (Bad-ass 1 & Gotoh's) and on went the gold plated Bad-ass 2 & Schallers!
 
The bass was then completely gutted. The filthy fingerboard and neck being treated to a lemon oil makeover and the body and hardware polished to a shine and the dull pickups polished with black boot polish(worked a treat!) The electrics were in good shape so left alone, all well and good so far!
 
Now for new strings. Next problem; The neck had too much relief! simple enough? afraid not. The truss nut appears to have been stripped by over enthusiastic use, my allen key has nothing to grip..Oh man! Another reason for the wooden shims? I think so. I removed the heavy strings and replaced them with lightweight 35 - 95's, adjusted the bridge, intonation and pickups and suddenly the action has went from awful high to an acceptable medium!  
 
On plugging in the sound is surprisingly really sweet, the pre-amp and Bartolinis do a great job! All of a sudden after around three hours this guy is almost like a different instrument! It sounds great and plays very well!
 
I honestly believe that if I can replace the truss nut that I can get the neck relief sorted and have a super low action on this bass. I contacted Dean twice, but their attitude has been shocking. I have been informed that, as the JB model is handmade in the Czech republic and is now a discounted model that they dont have anything to do with them-END OF!  
 
So there you have it. If you want a Dean bass they are delighted to deal with you if you have a bass made in a factory in Taiwan, but if its  made in Europe you can kiss it!
 
Anyone out there got any ideas about the truss nut? Suggestions would be welcome!
 
Sorry to have rambled on here, but Im delighted that I have been able to do a nice set-up job on this bass and sort most of its problems by using my excellent  guitar player repair guide book and some basic detective work!
 
I cant believe how easy the set-up was and I cant believe the ammount of money I have paid in the past for this type of service!
 
I think this bass is a winner
 
John.

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 04:54:54 AM »
Here it is.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 05:01:37 AM »
Nice bass John. Sounds like you've been having fun. All I can suggest for the Allen nut is to try to force an oversized key into the hole and take it off. If it's metric, you might find the next size up imperial wil do the job (or vice versa). Altenatively (and way more scary), you could attempt to weld an undersized allen key in place - you'll need to work really hard on protecting the wood.
 
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 05:22:12 AM »
Failing that I'd take it to a decent luthier; John Diggins of JD Guitars would be a suggestion as he makes all his own hardware and truss rods (he made new rods for my oldest Ric).

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 05:25:53 AM »
John's near Glasgow so Jimmy Moon would be closer ;-)
 
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 05:50:39 AM »
John,
I followed that previous thread. Congrats on your setup success!
Play it healthy!
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 11:27:51 AM »
I agrre with Jacko here John
Jimmy Moon is apparently superb---------although John Diggins is brilliant as well---------plus-------------he's a personal friend
He built the George Wallertwin neck.
Ask him about it!
He remembers me fine!!
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 02:10:04 PM »
Thanks guys,
 
I have used Jimmy Moon in the past - superb craftsman, but Im trying to prove something to myself here by doing all the work myself!
 
Im determined to see it through! The action is actually pretty good to be honest, but I believe it can be better
 
The only thing that will stop me in my tracks is if the rod is actually broken (please god no!) but I dont believe that to be the case! I will find a way to give that darn rod a quarter turn if it kills me!
 
John.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 02:12:05 PM »
Can you post a pic of the troublesome nut?

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 03:34:53 PM »
Dave, I will try to do just that tomorrow!
 
The thing is, it doesnt really look as if it has been abused - there just doesnt seem to be any kind of shape where the allen/other shape for the tool should be! Its quite circular and smooth. Perhaps Im missing something with my inexperience?
 
Will post pic soon,
 
John.

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 04:42:27 PM »
I did some searching, and apparently Deans do use an Allen wrench, though I couldn't find the size.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2008, 03:14:41 AM »
Thanks Dave,
 
I took pics of the nut but they just arent clear enough to post Im afraid. Im going to try to use long nose pliers to gently turn the not, failing that Im going to super glue (Graeme welding on my bass scares the hell outta me) a sacrificial allen key into the nut and remove it.
 
The next issue after that I suppose will be finding a replacement nut..Dean still dont want to talk to me. Perhaps another brand will be of a similar type?
 
I could just leave everything as is (the action being wholly acceptable now) but feel that this is glossing over an issue that would surely arise again when future adjustments need to be made!
 
John.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2008, 04:12:16 AM »
Moon guitars will fix it for you John.

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2008, 05:38:11 AM »
It could be a matter of metric versus imperial sizes - and someone may well have ruined the nut with the wrong size tool.

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2008, 07:39:23 AM »
John - there is probably a different setting you need to use on your camera in order to take a picture from that close. On my Canon there is a pair of icons - a mountain and a flower - the flower is for taking pictures up close - I believe it's the micro/macro setting? The symbol for it might be different on your camera but it should be there.
 
Oh, and congrats on the self-setup! (I was following the other thread too)