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anarchyx

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« on: June 06, 2008, 07:19:09 PM »
The title pretty much speaks for itself. Is anyone able to play this song? For a beginner, I'd have to say for a beginner, I'm an incredible bassist, but I can't play this song as fast as Chris Squire. If anyone's able to play this song, please say so!

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 07:59:06 PM »

 
This was one of my favorite songs to learn when it first hit the radio (Hint: does that give away my age?) I was able to play it note for note at speed with a pick. It's a bit harder to play that fast with fingers. Squire was one of my main influences, and why I bought at least 4 Rick basses. I then graduated to Alembic and stayed there. Much better build quality and versatile sound. Yes is still one of my favorite bands.  

 
If you like Squire's bass on Roundabout, you will probably like Jeff Berlin's bass playing on any of Bill Bruford's albums. Gradually Going Tornado is one of my favs. There's some real sick stuff played on that disk which is easily 10 times harder to learn than Roundabout. I saw them do it live at Toad's place in New Haven, CT way back, and Jeff was singing lead AND playing these lines too. Still hard to imagine even now!  
Here's one of Bruford's songs to choke on!
 

 
Enjoy!
Kris

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 09:14:56 PM »
i'm pretty sure roundabout was the first song i learned... i remember my dad saying 'check out this bassline.' and i had never really listened to the bass player before. good stuff, although i find most of yes('s?) work to not really be my thing.

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 08:40:57 AM »
Kris; that's a great clip of Roundabout from Union!  Thanks for posting it; nothing like some Yes cranked up on the stereo to start my Saturday morning!

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 08:54:01 AM »
YES!

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 11:47:56 AM »
If anyone's able to play this song, please say so!
 
I can play it fingerstyle or with a pick... but why is that helpful?  Just keep practicing and eventually you'll be able to play it.

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 04:17:49 PM »
Once you get the original part down, which you will, then work out the second *hidden* bass track, which I didn't notice until someone pointed it out to me!
 
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 05:37:37 PM »
Once you get the original part down, which you will, then work out the second *hidden* bass track, which I didn't notice until someone pointed it out to me!
 
So what part are you talking about?

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2008, 05:24:38 AM »
I read in an old Bass Player mag that the Roundabout bass part was actually two overlapping lines:  one was Squire's bass part (played with the Ric) and the other was a tic tac muted part played with a pick on something like a Fender VI.  That second part is what gives the line it's delicious clickiness.

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2008, 08:03:27 AM »
I love those Rickenbacker basses. but about playing, remember, I'm 13 and conversing with a bunch of people possibly in their 40's or so. That's like placing a Smurf next to the Incredible Hulk. It makes me feel a little inadequate to talk to someone that could play with their feet(mind you, I'm being sarcastic on that last bit)

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2008, 11:52:47 AM »
Jared; I believe the answer to your question is, yes people can play Roundabout.  The fact that you can't play it as fast as Chris Squire right now is ok; there's nothing wrong with that.
 
My recommendation is to practice technique.  In my view, a good approach to playing this song at speed is to first develop the technique necessary to play the song.  Of course it may take a while, but that's ok.  And I think it also important to know the theory as well.  For instance, the basic riff in this song is essentially a blues scale in E.  On the Tsongas DVD, they completely change the feel and play it with much more of a blues feel.  So I tend to think practicing blues scales is important.
 
The rhythm of the basic riff is essentially a pattern of eighths and sixteenths.  You may find practicing this rhythmic pattern easier up on the neck.  For instance, play the riff in the key of A starting on the A on the 12th fret.  Just play the first three notes back and forth, A-B-C-B-A, over and over, slowly; paying attention to both right hand and left hand technique.  Then add the D-E-G-A on the D and G strings.  In this exercise, your left (fretting) hand should not move laterally; your first finger should always remain on the 12th fret, third finger on the 14th fret, fourth finger on the 15th fret.  And you'll notice that you are playing an A minor scale without the six.  This exercise helps develop technique, and helps understand the theory behind the song.  If you have a five string, you can actually play the riff with this pattern in E.
 
And if I may, a few other suggestions that you may, or may not, find helpful.  As far as being an incredible bassist, I would suggest letting go of that idea.  In my view, music isn't a contest or competition; just play from the heart.  Thinking of how good you may or may not be gets in the way of just playing.  Develop your technique, develop your knowledge of theory, open your heart, and just play.  And as to feeling a little inadequate, let go of that too.  Seeking knowledge is a good thing.  When the mind starts to feel inadequate, the mind starts building barriers.  There is nothing wrong with feeling inadequate; it's a natural defensive response of the mind.  But when you notice that feeling, just notice it and let go of it.  It's not easy; in fact, it takes practice.  Just like scales.
 
So ask questions; and we will try to answer them to the best of our limited abilities.  Personally, I love Roundabout; I think it's a wonderful tune.  And thanks to you, I've listened to it several times over the last two days!
 
Enjoy!

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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2008, 02:06:08 PM »
uh.. i'm 20. for the record. not that that's impressive or anything, just throwing it out there.
well said, dave.
practice practice practice practice.......

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2008, 02:17:44 PM »
If you listen, there is a separate bass track in the middle that is extremely divergent from the obvious track.  It's very low in the mix, and it's all bottom, but it's definitely there.  My sister in law, who is an excellent musician, couldn't believe I hadn't heard it all along.  She's amazing though, so I don't feel completely stupid.  
 
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2008, 02:30:59 PM »
I love those Rickenbacker basses. but about playing, remember, I'm 13 and conversing with a bunch of people possibly in their 40's or so. That's like placing a Smurf next to the Incredible Hulk. It makes me feel a little inadequate to talk to someone that could play with their feet(mind you, I'm being sarcastic on that last bit)
 
When I was 13, I doubt anything I played was listenable.  Now, at 46, I'm not as much better as one would have hoped.  It's all good, and there are lots of things I can't begin to touch technically.  So I reckon if there's anything any of us can offer to help your journey through a musical life, it would have to be to like what you play and play what you like, as well as you are able.  If you're doing that, everything will improve and you'll be a happy man.  
 
As far as your Squire-envy goes (and I suffer from it as well), he's just a guy.  I haven't met him, but I've met his bandmates and they're all just really nice guys.  One day there may well be a flock of promising young bassists who view you as a god, and then you'll see how silly we all can be about such things.  ;)
 
John

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 02:57:19 PM »
John, you're serious? You've met his bandmates, Howe and Anderson and White and Wakeman? Did you get their autograph?
 
As for playing, if people don't think I'm good, I get bored with playing but I can't stop. It's weird.
 
 
Oh, I got got back from this conecert last night with a bunch of Hardcore Metal bands,including a local one that is awesome called Hijacking an Airplane!. It was freakin' awesome and there were, like, 5 mosh pits that I got into!