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lbpesq

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« on: December 12, 2010, 02:00:52 PM »
I assume I'm not the only one who watched Paul McCartney on SNL last night.  I hate to say this, but I felt sad and almost embarrassed for him because of how little of his voice he appeared to have left.  I'm hoping it was due to illness or maybe he just did a bunch of shows.  It was like watching Willie Mays unable to get around on a fastball in his final year with the Mets.
 
Bill, tgo

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 02:38:11 PM »
I agree...although SNL is notorious for making the vocals for their musical acts sound atrocious.  Frequently it sounds as if the singers can't hear themselves well through their monitors.

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 09:04:57 PM »
I would guess it's the monitoring environment. One of the guitarist was horribly off (singing) as well. I saw Paul with that lineup in Vegas a few years ago, and they all sounded excellent.

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 12:20:59 AM »
I know the bassist from one of the '80's biggest selling hair bands if you will and they refused to do SNL for the reason that their engineer would not be allowed anywhere near the console. SNL's engineer ran everything and evreyone on the show so from what I understand. I did not see Paul's performance but after our resident attorney's review I won't go looking for it on you tube.

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 05:40:57 AM »
I saw Paul live this past March, and there were only two high notes on which he failed to hit a pitch. But I think this was one of the first shows on his tour, so he probably wasn't warmed up. I was frankly shocked at how he did not modify the notes he tried to reach. He went for it regardless of which era he was singing.
 
Probably a transitional thing, or the stage at SNL, which is notoriously bad.

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 02:54:29 PM »
Paul's voice didn't sound bad at all - to the extent it could be heard.  Compared most of the late night talk shows, SNL's sound is inexcusable.  Particularly when so many rocket scientists in the viewing audience will chalk PM's bad vocal sound up to over the hill.

lbpesq

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 03:25:34 PM »
Bill:
 
It may have been due to bad monitors, bad PA, bad acoustics, bad engineer, bad health, end-of-the-tour laryngitis, or any of a multitude of explanations, but, unless you had your TV going through an auto-tune, Paul's voice did not sound good, to put it charitably.  My wife and I both heard him clearly causing us to cringe.  Of course this isn't the first time a rock 'n roll icon has been less than stellar on SNL. I remember Mick Jagger croaking out the lyrics when the Stones appeared a number of years ago after a U.S. tour on which Jagger had apparently blown out his voice.  Hey, even my beloved Grateful Dead sucked on SNL.
 
Bill, tgo
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 03:57:55 PM »
I just checked a recording of this out. It _is_ pretty rough, but what I would call uncharacteristic for Paul, who is a pretty gifted natural singer. Sounded like a bit of cold or laryngitis.
 
I listened to it on headphones though and one thing that was cool was listening to Sir Paul's Hofner running direct to broadcast mix. Very educational.

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 04:35:46 PM »
Bit of a flub there at the beginning (about 0:40), but it doesn't even begin to rattle him.  Gotta love a true pro.  Thanks for the idea to re-listen with the headphones.  
 
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 04:47:15 PM »
I'd love to hear him really rip on the instrument.  I don't know that we've really heard what he can do, have we?  Anyone know of any particularly inspired cuts he's played on in the last 30 years?  The most bass-centric tune I can think of is silly love songs from the 70's..
 
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 11:28:26 PM »
There's the disco influenced 'Goodnight Tonight' (he was in this phase where you hear him bouncing a high 7th or octave against the root note), 'Take It Away' form Tug of War, and 'Getting Closer' (MORE octave work) from Back to the Egg. On 'Another Day', he really follows (or vice versa) the acoustic guitar part.
The five-string work (on a Wal five-string) under 'Pieces of Eight' from Tripping the Live Fantastic, low B's and all.
 
Of course these are all after the Beatle faves.  
 
My favorite four to five string expansion:  'Lady Madonna'. IF you play along with the record or play it in your band in A, start the chorus at D on the G-string.  That line repeats, start it the second time on open D or D on the A-string.  At the turnaround at the end of the chorus ('see how they runnn...'), you play low C, open low B, then E.  I just love that.  Show off to your firends:  While the open E is ringing, reach up and play the resolving A-G# at the octave on the G-string !
 
His most disarmingly simple line for me is the bass figure under 'Come Together':  Open D, G-G#-A at the octave on the A-string, then reach across to F on the G-string to D at the octave on the D-string.  How do you find stuff like that?  
 
His noodling around under 'Something':  If I did that, it would sound so busy somebody would shoot me.
 
I've always admired Paul for striking that balance where it's more than your meat and potatoes bass part, but it's less than busy, those little tags and his melodic harmony that just kills me as it always fits.  
 
And how did he do so much with that little Hofner?  As much as I should have one, it feels like a little balsa wood toy to me.  
 
I was wired for bass.  I always hear lows.  I hear the pedals on the pipe organ first.  I hear the bottom of the rumble when a Harley or a big truck goes by.  I listen to music, I hear bass and drums first, I'm useless at hearing rhythm guitar parts or figuring out vocal harmonies.  When I heard Paul in the Beatles, I turned my back on an entire childhood of learning to play the piano and I had to play bass, and I always love his parts first above anyone else.  His elegant simplicity and impeccable taste are a target I always aim for (and rarely hit).  That he's a reasonably normal man, married forever with happy children only burnished him more for me.  
 
I will however, never become vegan !
 
It's all his fault.  I coulda been a plumber . . .
 
J o e y
 
(Message edited by bigredbass on December 13, 2010)

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 08:43:29 PM »
In terms of really ripping, Rain still blows me away.  
 
Bass-wise I think he did his best work with John, George, and Ringo... Can't think of any real stand-outs post Beatles. I mean his bass work is solid and good in Wings and beyond, but I can't think of any ripping going on. I always liked Listen to What the Man Said, Jet, Band on the Run, Live and Let Die. All with solid bass lines, but no ripping. Junior's Farm is a nice beefy bassline...
 
I always hear basslines first too. Probably courtesy of Paul

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 07:13:18 AM »
As a guitar player, I was always really impressed by Paperback Writer's bass line.

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2010, 02:15:51 PM »
When a buddy and I each got a pair of decent stereo speakers in 1970 (the venerable KLH Model 17) I finally heard the bass lines on Sgt. Pepper's.  And that did it for me. Beautiful, bouncy, contrapuntal, musical, and with great tone. Let's not forget that he is great on guitar and drums, too. I hear he can play piano, as well. Sir Paul is the man.

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2010, 04:04:37 PM »
I've listened to RAM a few times since this thread popped up. I heart Paul.