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2400wattman

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« on: December 03, 2010, 04:13:26 PM »
O.K. who knows their stuff about these t.v.'s? I want to get one soon but there all so danged confusing. I understand a little bit about the technology of each but are the specs really going to matter when I mount it on my wall.  
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sonicus

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 04:37:21 PM »
If I were offered a new one   , I would go for the  LED.
 However____ right now the LCD variety might be a bit less expensive.

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 05:17:45 PM »
LED

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 06:03:12 PM »
I hear the LED's are nice and bright making them work well in sunny or lit rooms.

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2010, 06:52:57 PM »
I just bought a new TV a few days ago. I tried reading up on it before I went to look at anything, and from what I read it seemed that plasma would be the best, but at the store it was an LED TV that looked the best. I also bought a Blu-ray DVD player and the picture with that is amazing. It's not a 3D TV but with the Blu-ray it looks pretty close to 3D.  
 
The technology keeps getting better, but you have to pay more for the latest technology. Also larger screen size costs more, obviously. So, what you get kind of depends on how much you're willing to pay. I went to the store thinking (hoping) I would spend $500, but paid a grand just for the TV.  
 
I'd say that if it looks good in the store compared to the other ones in the store and if it's an HD TV then you probably can't go wrong. The specs can tell you which TV is better compared to other TV's, but if you want the best specs then you have to spend the most money.  
 
What I think is the most important is the return policy of the store. You'll never know for sure until you get it home and try it out, so make sure you can return it with no hassles, just in case.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2010, 08:20:46 PM »
I work in TV post production and broadcast.  I'd love to weigh in here!
 
GENERALLY speaking - plasma is considered the best display technology (PQ-wise) of the three mentioned here (really there are two technologies mentioned, as LED is a subset of LCD TVs) - and by that I mean a (good) plasma TV will most closely rival a CRT (tube) TV in terms of black levels and processing delay.
 
CRTs, being analog, have no processing delay.  All digital display technologies else do, and it's one of the dirty little secrets of current TV technology.  A high end plasma (say a Panasonic Viera or a Pioneer Kuro, if you can find one) will, on average, have less processing delay than LCDs.  That means the video has a better chance of being synced to the audio.  For certain sources like Blu-ray, the HDMI handshake will sometimes (but not always) help with the processing delay, but other sources like set top boxes (cable, satellite TV, etc.) won't always have that luxury.  Watch broadcast television closely, and even on a CRT you'll often see that the picture is not perfectly in sync with the audio - and the video processing delay in digital TVs can only compound the problem - consider processing delay when purchasing a TV.
 
Next is black level, and this is another area where (again, GENERALLY speaking) plasmas come out on top.  LCDs, because they MUST be backlit (either by CCFL or LED), will not produce the absolute black that you get from a CRT.  Plasmas do a better job here because they do not use a backlighting technology.  Sometimes you see insane, unrealistic contrast ratios (5,000,000:1) because newer LCDs will selectively turn on/off certain portions of a screen's backlight, but that is an artificial number and should not be used to indicate real world contrast ratio.  When you see numbers like that, you can be certain that it was a sales team that came up with it, not an engineer.
 
You'll also find that, because plasmas do not rely on a backlight to create contrast, their acceptable viewing angles are generally wider, so there's more of a sweet spot when viewing.
 
Plasmas are far from perfect, though, and have several disadvantages when compared to LCDs - they cannot currently be manufactured as thin/light as their LCD counterparts.  They are also generally less green, consuming more energy and generating more heat than LCDs.  Also, if you are looking for a giant screen, LCDs are available in larger sizes than plasma panels.  Similarly, nobody manufactures a small plasma panel because it's too expensive - but I am going to assume we're talking about a nice big screen here!
 
Finally in LCDs corner, they can display a brighter picture (some might call it artificially bright) than plasma panels.  Because of this, a room that receives a lot of direct sunlight might benefit from LCD.  HOWEVER, a very good rule of thumb would be this:  If you currently have a CRT in a room and it is bright enough for comfortable viewing, a plasma TV will absolutely be bright enough.  The one room in my house where there is a TV is the great room, and the (CRT) TV is against a wall which has two windows, a sliding glass door off to the right side, an entry way into a bright living room to the left, a window in the back AND two skylights - and the CRT is plenty bright in all situations - so I know a decent plasma will be as well.
 
If I were purchasing today, I would not consider LCD for my viewing pleasure.  I have seen both technologies up close in controlled environments, having received private viewing demos from some of the usual suspects, and I know where I'd put my money.
 
In my opinion, LCDs are good, plasmas are better.  Oh, if they hadn't abandoned SED TV, a technology that knocked my socks off!!!
 
Just one quick note about stores.  Most stores are the worst place to evaluate a display.  Competing with fluorescent lighting and other TVs, you'll generally notice that all the controls you'd generally want to turn DOWN in your home (like contrast, saturation, sharpness) are turned up to their maximum values.  High end AV showrooms will often have dark viewing areas, and the TVs will be calibrated.  These are few and far between though, and it's just a shame that people have to evaluate TVs in such hostile environments!
 
 
OK - reading back it's long-winded, but I think you all know where I stand!

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2010, 10:10:34 PM »
Terrific post, CJE, good you've joined us.
 
So you're the perfect person to ask these two TV questions:
 
First, do the 'ratings' apply to HiDef in the same order?
 
And Second, what about 3D?  The reason I ask is that I'm old enough to remember 'quadrophonic', Betamax VCR's, and the recent format war that BluRay evidently won.  My contention is that for now, 3D will be limited to non-broadcast sources (DVD's, starting a 3D format war?) as broadcast staions/networks have just finished spending millions to update nationally to HDTV.  Would a further hardware upgrade at the networks/local stations to '3d everywhere' involve that big an investment again, or is it way less?  And is there a single standard for 3D out there to be adopted?
 
I see you're in the 'first Alembic search' mode, and you'll certainly find enough friends here to help you along the way.  
 
Thanks,
 
J o e y

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 11:56:58 PM »
Wow, CJ that was more than what I'd expected and do I appreciate it. Plasma sets are what I've been looking at primarily for these reasons that I've read.
1. they don't have the fast action issues that LCD's have
2. The movie experience is better (deeper blacks)
3. They're cheaper and I can get a BIG A$$ set for the same price as a medium sized LCD
4. I can't afford an LCD with 120hz refresh rate, which is what I would get if I went the LCD route
Thank you again for your input CJ and you other clowns too! ;)

2400wattman

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 12:16:26 AM »
One more thing. 720p or 1080p, is the difference big enough for a non-techie like me to be concerned about or, is it a standard that will be met by all television stations and media companies?

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 01:24:45 AM »
can I just point out that IF you play video games (like I do, for inordinate amounts of time), they can damage plasma screens. I had a plasma a few year ago and my playstation 'burned' images into it. just a thought that probably doesn't matter

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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 01:55:10 AM »
I have heard that  else where too.

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 05:08:48 AM »
The difference between 720p and 1080p is enough to notice if you have TV's side by side. I'd get the 1080p if you don't mind shelling out the extra cash for it. And I've read that screen burn-in on plasma TV's is becoming a thing of the past. It takes quite a few hours to burn something in now, and I don't think the effect is permanent. Probably still an issue for gamers though.

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 05:49:23 AM »
I notice a big difference in 720p vs 1080p, it was actually quite startling.  I got my 1080p tv last year, and was flat out amazed at how lifelike things were compared to 720p.  Add a blu-ray player and you'll be blown away.
 
I have a side lit LED (samsung) television.  Its a great t.v. and superthin.  
 
Dont spend too much time worrying over what to get.  I can pretty much guarantee that any differences that exist between LED/LCD/Plasma you wont even notice or think about when you get it into your house.
 
With my sidelit LED, any reviews pointed out the fact that the LED's sometimes come on during darker scenes, but to be honest I seldom, if ever notice this.

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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 07:23:00 AM »
I just went through this whole LCD/LED/Plasma evaluation process, and ultimately decided on a 50 Panasonic Viera (Plasma). The basis for my decision was depth of black and fast tracking performance (think Star Wars = explosions). I understand this particular model has the same engine as the Pioneer Elite Plasmas. I've been very happy with it. I love the picture (Avatar on BluRay is incredible). My only gripe is that the menuing system is a bit odd, but I mainly use the menus from my cable box so it's no big deal.
 
Decent price too: bundled with a 5.1 Surround BluRay player at a big box retailer for under 2K
 
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 04:15:17 PM »
Just picked up a 55 LED LCD - LG 55LE5400 - for under $1500. Not the absolute best, but very good for the price.
 
The processing delay noted above becomes very apparent if you play Wii (or probably any video game) on it. The composite cable made it unplayable. Had to upgrade to the component cable (no hdmi available) and it's still noticeable, though usable.