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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2011, 07:27:22 AM »
A luthier named Laurie Willams also uses swamp kauri (which he calls ancient kauri); he does acoustics.  If they sound half as pretty as they look, they must be amazing.
 
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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2011, 07:33:45 AM »
I just checked out Langcaster.  I see what you guys mean about the headstock.  Sort of looks like a Fender with a goiter!  Yuuucchhhhh!
 
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2011, 12:51:50 PM »
Bill,
 
I noticed yesterday that he is now offering a very 'fender-esque' headstock with a small Koru inlaid in Paua shell.  Much better choice-  
 
 
 
I wish he has been willing to do something like that back in 2005- I had a very simple P bass in mind, but at that point Joh wasn't very interested in moving away from that headstock he uses.  His basses played nice and sounded great.

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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2011, 11:04:08 AM »
A '61 Strat in what looks to be superb condition?  A wonderful guitar; I'd love to have it, and would no doubt happily pay 10 times its original price.  100 times its original price?  That's not a Buy It Now I'll be hitting, thank you very much.  But I have seen them offered for almost 5 times this price.  As I commented above, obscene.
 
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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2011, 11:25:49 AM »
The sunburst ones are actually the least valuable.  $25K for one in 98% condition is the current Blue Book value.  The Vintage Guide places it at $20-25K.  The Vintage Guide further values common colors at $35-45K, and rare colors at $45-70K for a 1961!
 
And my Olympic white isn't even white anymore - it's yellow, but oh such a valuable yellow.  $125 in 1975 - best investment I ever made and I didn't even know it was an investment!  I'm certainly glad I never got around to stripping it and staining it dark like an Alembic, as I meant to do back then.
 
Of course, these are listed and asking prices.  I personally don't know anyone who's actually paid such a price.
 
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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2011, 11:20:10 AM »
I bought a Fender Tele new in 1971 and it was not that great a guitar. My cousin has a 57 Tele and it is amazing. It is amazing because of its flaws and its age. The pickups sound beautiful but a little noisy. I am sure that is part of what gives them the sound they have. The body is light and nimble. Would I pay $3,200 for a 71 Tele; no way.
 
I personally don't much like new guitars, as I feel a good guitar gets better with age and a poor one does not.  I also am a firm believer n the Mojo Factor. I think an instrument takes on a personality over the years, just as we do.  
 
The money we pay for them is just a medium of exchange. Its value fluctuates too. Is gas really worth $3.75 a gallon? Well, if we are buying it for that much, then it is. Is a 60's fender P bass worth more than a 70's series one? Not to me, but others think it is.  
 
A little while ago a 60's Mustang convertible was worth way more than a 60's Porsche 911 targa. Which do you think is a better performer? However, a Mustang is an American icon. So is a P bass. It all comes down to public perceived value, utilitarian value, performance and upkeep value, and collector value.
 
The really good news is that Alembics are very low priced for what they are. Is a new P bass going for $14,800 bucks? No, but a series one is.
 
If we had to start paying $7,000 for a used series one we would not like it so much, even though they are probably worth it in terms of quality, playability, and sound. I suspect someday we might be paying that much. I remember when old Strats and Les Pauls started going for serious money. You either bought one or you thought it was crazy to pay that much. My best friend had a 69 Strat he bought new and then sold in the early 80?s in Seattle. He had people bidding against each other in his living room for it and sold it for  $2,500. I never liked the guitar and thought it sounded like crap. It was just a bad sounding Strat for some reason. However, I now wish I had bought it!  
 
Anyway, enough of my rambling!

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« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2011, 10:35:22 AM »
I agree . Rubbish is a good word, and the proliferation of relics is absurd.  
 
I had a Morris Minor 1960 model. I liked it but it needed a bit more motor. It was a much more quaint looking, but usable car than the mini. I would pay some silly money to get my 1967 MGB back. Again, not much motor but it was the last of the metal dash panels and was great fun. Bought new as a High School junior.  
 
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« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2011, 12:46:44 PM »
IIRC, in '68 the MGB went from a 3 to a 5 main bearing engine.  I always thought the '68-'72 MGs were the best, before the U.S. Smog and bumper restrictions hit in '73.
 
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« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2011, 01:20:51 PM »
Speaking of relics, old guitars, etc. has anyone seen the Fender Snakehead Tele recreation?  For $6000 you too can have a relic'd replica of a prototype guitar.  I actually kind of like the aesthetics, but that price tag seems insane to me.

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« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2011, 03:29:45 PM »
IIRC, in '68 the MGB went from a 3 to a 5 main bearing engine. I always thought the '68-'72 MGs were the best, before the U.S. Smog and bumper restrictions hit in '73.  
 
Actually Bill, I can attest to the fact that the engine changed to 5 mains in '67. That is what makes it such a unique MG. It still had all leather seats, the top was taken apart and put in the trunk in a sack, the dash was durable all metal with black wrinkle finish. The heater controls were simple knobs controlling valves and switches. The only thing on the steering column was a turn signal stalk. By '68 they came out with the pasteboard and naugahyde dash, the disastrous GT model,  a more complicated and less reliable electrical control system and (somewhere after '67) paint that came off quickly etc. The '67 also had a synchromesh on first gear. The '65 did not, I'm not sure of the '66 in the transmission department.  
The '67 and before had weird throwout bearings with stationary metal to metal contact. They needed to be changed after about 20,000 miles. This required pulling the engine and transmission as a unit. (radiator, oil cooler, crossmember, clutch hydraulics etc) I got it down to about 8 hours doing it alone. With help it usually took longer.

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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2011, 10:00:46 AM »
Ever seen an MGC?  A BGT with a 6 cylinder engine.  I always thought those looked interesting.
 
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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2011, 10:07:02 AM »
My father had a '69 MGC. The one that got away
 
He tracked it down a couple of years ago, and the current owner isn't quite ready to part with it.

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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2011, 10:56:36 AM »
I saw a C model a couple of times. Never drove one. Too bad they weren't made in larger numbers. I got it in mind a year or so ago to look for a clean mid '60s sprite or midget to goof around with. Now I have a Harley Road King instead.

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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2011, 11:41:21 AM »
Ah, yes, classic British roadsters!  Loved my Spitfire; best-handling car I've ever driven - when it drove.  Sometimes I think I'd like to have it back.  Then I remember how many times I stood by the side of the road at 3:00 AM asking What's the *&%# is wrong with this &%$@$%^* thing now!?!?!?
 
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