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toma_hawk01

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2011, 08:58:24 AM »
If is walks like a duck, and it quacks...
 
Maybe there's some proof that it is a duck.
 
Don't insult my intelligence.
 
Nobody has a problem with with this information except for the same folks.  
 
There's a pattern.
 
...And in the end, the Moderators (The Police Man) enters, and guess who they side with...  
 
LMAO!!!
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
     
 
 
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on July 21, 2011)

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2011, 09:08:07 AM »
I am very dissapointed in how this thread has turned out. As an African American and member of this forum, I have not detected any racial bias whatsoever. As a human determined to see God's face, I will keep you in my prayers Hal. Only good should come from this. I will not comment any further.

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2011, 09:47:13 AM »
My apologies; I was enjoying some of the vids linked to in the Identifying Players thread, and missed the call for a moderator.  It's been my observation that the club has been doing a great job of self-moderation over the last year or so; and in my view, the vibe of the club has been great.  But today we have here a thread that is over the line and appears to be getting worse.
 
I would like to encourage everyone to relax, glance away from the computer screen for a few seconds, gaze out the window, breath deeply and fully, and be thankful for this opportunity to be alive on this planet at this moment.  Then perhaps a smile and some positive feelings for each other, as we are at our core all connected in the family of humanity.
 
While studying and sharing history is important, getting into heated and vicious exchanges is not necessary and essentially only serves to do damage to our community and to our daily lives.  Most of us who have read or posted to this thread have found the quality of our day at this moment to have diminished.  We may feel disappointed, frustrated, angry, exasperated.  But not joy.  And I think at some point music, listening and especially playing, is about joy, the flight of the soul unburdened by the dis-ease that the stresses we encounter in everyday life seem to place upon us.
 
So, take a break for a moment, breath, be thankful, and then enjoy the rest of your day.
 
And give this thread a break for a while, let it cool off; it's overheating my laptop.

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2011, 12:08:42 PM »
Bill,
 
Being a member of a particular racial  
makeup, does not give one the super natural abilities of detection of racial bias.
 
I know that might be hard to believe,  
of a man of great faith like you...
 
However, through personal life experiences,  
and other histories of controversies  
raised, I know a pattern of bias that  
exist even here.  
 
Looking at the date stamped on  
your membership is even questionable  
to me... because unless you'd been  
here to experience the server problems  
which occurred, most would be natural  
to assume their membership date is  
correct too. However, I know better,  
for I created more threads than  
what the current status accounts.
 
Farther more, although I welcome  
your statements, however, those  
statements you made, has no impact  
in representing a non-bias authority,  
nor does it represent my sentiments  
with every good intention you hoped  
your injections would/could accomplish.
 
Frankly, I don't even understand why  
you needed to bring your race, to  
validate what is racially bias,  
when it takes facts to prove your  
statements, which I detected  
(using your words) none (no facts).  
 
Bill, I welcome your opinion, frankly  
I encourage it. But, don't think one  
bit, I would allow you to take a  
shot at me, without me having my  
rebuttal.    
 
Furthermore, as a religious person,  
my religious teachings says,  
The Greatest sin, and the most  
barbaric and highest sins of all  
sins, are to practice racial supremacy,  
and bigotry (even in the most subtle  
way, it's wrong!!!).
 
As a African born in America, I  
learned that it's not fashionable  
to talk about the many achievements  
we had made, even with the bias  
that perpetuate the atmosphere to  
prevent such benefits to the good  
and to the whole of human kind,  
people are fast to pull out their  
rulers, and yard sticks.  
 
Furthermore, the information I  
provided was just a snippet,  
of the facts on the modern (5)  
and (6) string bass, and as  
predicted, it was immediately a  
subject of controversy. LOL!!!!
 
And I simply ask why do people do  
this, and then they replace the  
information that fits their likings  
REGARDLESS OF THE FACT??? LOL!!!
 
So, as someone who don't mind being  
wrong, I read those remarks of others  
posters on this thread, and for the  
most part, those who were not in  
agreement with my initial thread,  
simply didn't provide any fact to  
remove the achievements of Tony and  
Anthony.
 
I read, and taken every dissenting  
argument raised, and gave it back  
with the respect, reasoning, and  
with my ideas not plagued nor dipped  
in biases, nor conjectures of a  
simple opinion and I didn't see  
any facts strong enough to remove  
the claims of these highly gifted,  
and very talented human beings who  
claimed of being the first of  
a (5) and (6) modern string bass  
that also happens to be the most  
appropriate, and appreciated standard  
of our modern times.
 
Also, I was inspired enough to  
post such news, and it was never  
my intentions to create any  
controversy. But, there's always  
someone out there who likes to  
display their historical muscles,  
and they always find a way to  
replace the ideas with ideas their  
allegiances even when they are incorrect.
 
Those same individuals, establishes  
the same pattern, and they always try  
to throw eggs, or squash the integrity of formidable, and admirable people, who are
different from themselves or cultural  
orientation, and diversity.  
 
Like the deduction comments made  
...nothing new under the Sun...  
 
Why say this now????
 
Clearly, Tony and Anthony's  
historical claims can't be  
smashed by tactics of  
over-simplifications;  
un-related (5) and (6) string  
instruments which were never  
used by professional standards;  
or off the mark conjectures  
which has no relevancy to benchmark
above what I had shown.
 
To say, there were no bias -- then  
why would you even need to go beyond  
to mention your own racial makeup,  
contradicts why your point relevant.  
 
Put race aside, YOU don't need to be  
of any racial makeup to know what  
is bias or not.
 
To foster of a greater assistance,  
and to have your prayers reserved for me,  
and not others is also pretty bias  
also, and yet you'd had not proved  
why you believe a bias didn't occur?  
 
Lastly, I respect you are a religious  
man who's determined to see GOD's face.  
 
However, if you believe God looks  
like very handsome white guy pictured  
posted everywhere, then I would say  
in truth, that's a bias too.
 
I hope you do pray for me, and not prey
upon my words.
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on July 21, 2011)

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2011, 01:01:37 PM »
I prefer to look at people as individuals and not members of larger groups, especially when admiring their accomplishments, spurning their ineptitude or even just observing.  
 
Jimmy Johnson's 5-string bass was delivered in May of 1976. The date construction started was not recorded, but based on the regular lead time back then, it's not unreasonable to think it was several months predating the delivery, possibly even in 1975. I would trust his memory on this detail.
 
Throughout history there have been instances of people simultaneously and unknowingly working on the same innovations. When the time is ripe for innovation, there's always more than one mind busy around the world. As far as our records show, it was actually Jimmy's father's idea to go down to B. We didn't invent it, we just got the job to build it. The only reason it could be built was that GHS agreed to make the strings for Jimmy.
 
I would venture in saying, Hal, that a pattern of controversy seems to largely track threads you participate in. Some sage advice my mother gave to me long ago was, if you think it's everyone else, consider that maybe it isn't.
 
This thread is being closed. Over the past couple of days, everyone that has wanted to has said their piece. Now if you don't mind, I have some photos to take, some emails to answer, and some phone calls to return.