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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 05:42:26 AM »
this aint nothin but a 'Mafia shakedown'!.........Gangsters taking their cut!
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 08:09:30 AM »
Since when was anything nice about the music business, and why would anyone expect anything different?  It's always been a rat trap filled with good intentions from my experience.
 
Heck, in most cities, you need a license to dance in a club or bar.  Hopefully there was no dancing at the farmers market.   Can you imagine the penalties for that?  
 
Nobody is claiming any sanity here, just stating how things are.
 
I don't call verifying violations and asking to be made whole with possible relatively small court actions a sting.  I call it prudent business protecting my song's revenue streams (if I had any) in a world where there is free transfer of digital information (and hopefully that transfer ability stays that way).  That transfer ability also means finding new revenue streams, and tightly monitoring current ones.
 
Had the hosts of the events had any common business sense or knowledge, they would know that live performance needs a license.  That person in the article who operates a house club claiming ignorance at $222 licensing for a year is a joke as a business operator in my humble opinion.  Again, this is in profit situations.  If it is for charity, etc., I say play away.  Isn't it prudent to discuss going into business with a lawyer familiar with the topic to make sure you have all the bases covered for your liabilities?  
 
Claiming ignorance and being found guilty with no intent has been part of the legal framework here for sometime, sad as it may be.  Sorry officer, I didn't see that speed limit sign doesn't work too often.
 
But then again, I worked in licensing, trying to make sure my company was compliant to PAY THE SONGWRITERS.  And then some songwriters complain about collections....   sigh....
 
Every month at work I get a nasty letter from the landlord saying pay up or move out despite being up to date with no problems.  The landlord says it's a computer generated letter and to forget it when I get one.  The point being, if they call and talk to BMI or ASCAP, I am sure those firms would be friendly, just like Harry Fox was with me.  Of course they threatened legal action, if not pursued it against my former company, but they never were rampaging.  Just business as usual, always approachable, and willing to make a deal.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 08:12:04 AM »
As usual, leave it to ol' #12 to hit the nail on the head!  You are correct sir!
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2012, 03:19:42 PM »
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.  --Hunter S. Thompson

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 04:44:07 PM »
The older that I get I realize how important the messages are in these two tunes . The message of treat others how you want to be treated is universal and we our selves reap the ultimate benefit as a result. it's all an individual choice .
 I love these tunes  my Brothers and Sisters !_______http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQcIEnlhB0
 

 
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 07:17:37 AM »
Amen to that.
 
Here's a fun site to read about some current happenings in the digital pirate / intellectual property war.
 
www.techdirt.com
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2012, 07:23:22 PM »
I would not be against this practice if it were not for the fact that the payouts don't go to the artists who need them the most. They average the numbers so that composers who are less well known fall off into the noise of the statistics and the real money goes to the people who are being covered at the top 40 level. That means a club who is paying ASCAP and/or BMI and then has bands that play obscure covers is still generating money for whoever is on the charts or has the classic hits and the writers of the obscure covers slog on in poverty, regardless of the fact that their hard work might be generating income for other musicians and for clubs. There's no one to one conformity and that's a problem.

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2012, 09:12:41 PM »
Edwin, __ excellent point !   Thanks for pointing this out _______

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2012, 08:42:32 PM »
As usual, I like Willie Nelson's angle.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXavCs-wSJQ
 
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2012, 11:21:00 PM »
Agreed, Willie is right...funny as last night I was cleaning and found a stack of unfinished songs...YAY! now I just have to finish them...