Author Topic: HEADPHONE/SILENT PRACTICE  (Read 393 times)

yogalembic

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« on: December 26, 2012, 05:06:20 PM »
Always practice with live amp and laptop through stereo.
Wish to go silent via headphones.
 
Who uses what (with good results)?  Have great headphones already.
 
Thanks....
 
Jay

lembic76450

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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 06:28:31 PM »
I just use my Genz Benz 9.0.  It is perfect for what you are looking for.  
I can even sit on the couch while my wife watches TV.  
I have even been looking for a 3.0 model that I can leave set up all the time.

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 07:29:19 PM »
I use headphones a lot when I'm learning songs. It helps me to hear all the parts. I also use them after my wife goes to bed. I have Pro Tools on my PC so I play through the studio monitors all the time, I never set my amp up. I have a Presonus Audiobox USB interface, so I plug my headphones into that & I'm good to go. I can even play through it without the PC turned on. The Presonus stays powered up all the time. I have Sennheiser HD 280 Pro headphones which do a great job isolating outside noise.  http://www.sennheiserusa.com/professional-dj-headphones-HD-280-PRO_004974
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 11:13:22 PM »
I use a Mackie 1202/VLZ3 mixer.  3-band EQ in the channels, XDR high-headroom inputs, and a LOUD, 1/4 headphone out.  1202's are everywhere, usually easy to find a clean, used one cheap, hold out for the second or third generation models with the VLZ inputs, worth it.  
 
I use AudioTechnica ATH-D40fs headphones, sort of the de-facto bass player's headphones in Nashville studios, around $75.  They feature a hump in the deep-end response, and they don't give me a headache !
 
Over the years, I've tried LOTS of 'headphone rigs', and like this set-up better than any other, by far.  I can run a 'Y' cable from the headphone out to two mixer channels, or to the RCA inputs (like the channels better).  One of these days I'll get some Mackie powered monitors and go ampless around the house.
 
Although I'm begging everyone to kill me quick if I'm ever fool enough to buy any more Eden gear, I kept the little Nemesis NA120 which has a headphone/aux in channel that you can blend with the bass channel which doubles as a headphone rig when you turn the speakers off.  Otherwise it's a 2-8+tweeter 1/2 scale Redhead, and it's really OK if I don't think about it being an Eden product too hard . . . .
 
Incidentally, I have one of those TASCAM Bass Trainers w/CD and a case, like new that I never use, bought it, didn't like it.  Anybody that wants to steal one, PM me.
 
J o e y

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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 11:40:23 PM »
Hey J o e y, I may regret asking this, but why don't you like Eden gear?
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 04:31:24 AM »
You just had to ask . . . . .
 
I should have known when no road musicians out of here wold take them on the bus / semi.
 
 
 
So . . . . after a lifetime of cobbling rigs together used, I decided to once-and-for-all buy something brand new.  (Bear in mind, this is the time period when Eden was in a boom time, and Nordschow was selling the company)
 
So I ordererd a new Metro and 115 extension cab from Corner Music, THE store here in town, run by friends of mine.  Told 'em, 'when it comes in, call me, I want to open the boxes myself', had told 'em it was my first brand-new purchase in who-knows when.
 
Fast-forward a few weeks.  They call me.  I go down there, and JD had both boxes sitting there like Christmas morning.  Both boxes as clean as if they'd come from next door.  Open it up, both pieces, not a mark on them.  Plug the 115 into the Metro, plug the AC in. . . . . the Metro sounded like a transistor radio with almost dead batteries, then it went 'KaBang!'.  Never heard anything out of the 115 even before the bang.  Plugged a different Eden head into it, nothing.  Pulled the grill off and the speaker was frozen.  Brand new out of the box. . . .
 
They obviously called Eden, and got me another setup.  It worked out of the box.  A week later, the 10's in the Metro sound funny.  Pull off the grill, the paper cone had separated from the dust cover about 1/2 the circumference of the cone.  Well.  Eden DOESN'T warranty drivers.  And all I'd done was play at home, no gigs yet.  For a week.  I take it back, they 'black glue' the paper surround so I DON'T have to shell out $160 for a new 10.  Well.
 
In the five years I owned it, it never sounded right.  Changed preamp tubes three times.  Pots were always noisy.  XLR out terrified good sound men.  Internal fan always sounded like the bearings were about to seize, and at times, you could hear it at the bar . . .Could never keep casters under it.  I did like the covers, though . . . . After spending $2k for this pile, I recently was tickled to get $500 out of it on CraigsList.
 
With the musician population here, there are several world-class amp repair only shops.  The one that does Eden warranty work (besides my dealer) intimated that these things were putting his kids through college !
 
The funny thing, all those years I played lots of Peavey as that's all I could afford (while wishing I had some COOL stuff), IT NEVER BROKE DOWN.  Not once.  I realize it's never cool to admit you like Peavey, but geez I'd like to hang with Hartley some day.
 
So now, he's (Nordschow) in business as DNA.  Lord Help Me, I hope I never run into him at NAMM . . . . As a designer, he did all the orginal SWR cabs for Steve Rabe (as well as others), and man do I wish he'd stayed a designer-for-hire.
 
J o e y

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 06:15:06 AM »
Joey...oh that reads like the rig from hell!
It is very disappointing to aim for your dream gear only to find out that it is a pile of s**t!
What I don't understand is the gear you bought has allegedly been built to high standards and at a high cost to the customer as you hope you are getting excellent gear only to find some stuff built in China is cheaper and does the job better! Sympathies to you over it all!
Peavey...I still have a working TNT115 in garage although looking a little ratty now and I guess the pots could do with some switch cleaner on them but it still works fine.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 06:31:18 AM »
That definitely qualifies as the rig from hell... I too, played Peavey gear for years with no trouble at all. When I finally 'upgraded' to an Ampeg SVT3 within a month I was packing it in its original shipping box and sending it back for a new one. The second one was fine for a few years then started acting up and I had to take a power amp from my PA rig to replace it. I then questioned myself as to why I hadn't done that years before. I just need a proper Alembic preamp for it now...
 
Speaking of TNT, years ago somebody gave me a well used TNT100. I used it as a practice amp until about two years ago when it finally gave up the ghost. It still serves me as an end table now!
 
As to the original thread, I really dislike using headphones, but when the need arises, I just run through my Boss ME-20. It's a guitar signal processor but works well enough in those situations when I don't want to annoy those around me.
 
-JP
 
(Message edited by jet_powers on December 27, 2012)

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 08:06:41 AM »
I use a Cafe Walter HA-1A headphone amp:
 
http://www.cafewalter.com/ha1/index.htm
 
Sounds great with the bass plugged straight in - I remember one user saying he wished he could get his amplified sound to sound like the Cafe Walter. I've been using my F-2B ahead of it for a nice fat sound. It also lets you plug in a mini-headphone jack so you can play along with computer, mp3 player, etc.
 
Not sure if they are still available, if interested you could contact Bass Northwest:
 
http://www.bassnw.com/New%20Effects%20Units/cafe_walter_HA1.htm

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 09:21:48 AM »
I use a Tascam CD-BT2. Tone is merely adequate, but the pitch transpose, tempo variation, looping and playback bass boost/cut come in really handy for learning parts. Of course all those functions are available as software, but the Tascam puts it all into one relatively cheap,small package.

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 09:38:51 AM »
Just a gentle, but important reminder headphone users.  Make sure to get your hearing checked by an audiologist regularly.  Long term headphone listening will cause hearing loss, especially since the ear drum gets fatigued, and one has the tendency to turn up the volume when this occurs.
 
Peavey equipment may very well be working person's gear.  The factory has always been ahead of its time in the efficient use of energy resources.  No shame in using that brand it it gets you your sound, and the quality of engineering helps!  For full disclosure and FWIW, I own Phil Jones gear as well, and the various pieces  have been reliable to date also.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2012, 12:14:28 PM »
Older, made in Meridian Peavey stuff is generally pretty good, if unremarkable. Current made in China stuff, not so much. Caveat emptor...

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 01:06:44 PM »
I use a TC Electronic RH750 as my gigging amp and practice amp. The amp has a headphone out and MP3/audio in capability.  
No need to plug in any speakers so it is silent. Actually by plugging in a set of headphones you disable the output to the speaker.  
The headphones are Sennheiser HD280 pro (same ones as Rusty).  
The tone out for the headphones is shaped by the amp so that you can drop in the mix and hear yourself.
 
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 01:52:51 PM »
I have a Yamaha THR10 that I use for guitar. It also has a great bass setting. The THR has an MP3 input with separate level control and the little speakers can get really low volumes and still sound great. Excellent 1/4 stereo headphone output on the THR as well.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2012, 03:26:45 PM »
J o e y
 
I had a very similar problem.  I warn folks of Eden all the time now.  I got a Traveler WT550 and a 210XST.  This replaced my Alembic F2B and QSC power amp with Bag End cabinets that I lost. I had high hopes, as everyone raved about the stuff.  The 550 was junk right out of the box.  So noisy I could not use it on a gig.  I sent it back.  After about 6 weeks another one showed up.  It was quieter, but still noisy. The direct out on the amp even took out a channel on a mixing board.  The sound guy was quite upset.
 
 The cab that got rave reviews I could not get a sound out of at all.  This is the one with the supposed extended low frequency.  All it would do was fart out at any volume higher than a practice volume. The only way it was audible with no distortion was with all of the bass turned off.  What's the point?  Yuck.  And they still rave over it.  I don't get it.
 
But to keep it in the thread, for headphone practice I just plug a set of Sony earbuds directly into my Series II.
 
Michael