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« on: December 05, 2007, 11:43:00 PM »
Down Beat December 2007
 
Return to Forever fans, you can stand up and cheer. One of the great fusion groups of all time will hit the tour circuit next summer, breaking out the sound of the ?70s for what will be the most anticipated jazz tour of 2008.
 
?Chick and I are getting together tomorrow to talk further,? Clarke said, indicating that he, Chick Corea, Al Di Meola and Lenny White will focus on the group?s classic repertoire. ?We decided we wanted to do the old music first.? The reunion will reconvene a true band in an era that does not nurture the collective identity of a group as much as it does the status of the individual.
 
?Why don?t we have groups like Return to Forever, Weather Report and the Modern Jazz Quartet today?? Clarke asked rhetorically. ?I blame it on the lawyers, agents and managers. The business is set up for what I call the ?my guy? phenomenon.

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 12:22:23 AM »
Man, it been more than 20 years since I seen RTF in Berkeley Ca. It was just magic.  
 
Eventually the chickens come home to roost. Meaning: this is the natural thing which should happen for balance in the world of Jazz Fusion.  
 
Miles Davis (Mr. Daddy-King or Jazz-Rock, RIP) would be smiling and saying to himself:
 
My boys are finally getting back together...

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 12:51:12 AM »
Miles Davis (Mr. Daddy-King of Jazz-Rock, RIP)

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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 11:39:10 AM »
I'm hoping they are doing some British or European dates. If not I'm coming over to the states to see them.  
 
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 12:15:34 PM »
Thanks Keavin.  
 
 
What are your thoughts?  
 
Im sure you feel like I do but it would be cool to know from your vibes in this...  
 
As for me, it feels like (back in the day) when I would go to a George Clinton Concert in the 70's, waiting for the Mother ship to land. We would spend 2-5 hours in music odyssey and come to know patterns musically that are unparalleled (from a funk perspective) today; and those guys where King at stretching a groove (enough to feed everybody...). I call it the: James Brown/Jimi Hendrix Gospel mix. The song Cosmic Slop is my reference point in my regards, but there were so many other grooves too including Maggot Brain. Students of James and Jimi, is not a question for me.  
 
Now far as RTF, the whole album: Where have I known you before in 74 sold me this was genius material from front to back on the LP. These cats had great musical roll models in their youth as well (but from a jazz perspective).  
 
I can't wait to see them again, I hope they stay together this time, and health wise, they all look like they been taking care of themselves (for what we know anyway) so, hopfully they could tour in a serious and meaningful way; and not make this just a fashion statement or a cabaret media circus moment.
 
Its been a while since I came out of my shell, to see a concert of this level. Its like playing Lotto, I don't come buy a ticket, unless the jackpot is worth in the 100's of millions.  
These guys will get me of my ass to go down there, and get my ticket. It would had tooken the alignment of those four wonderful and beautiful stars: Chick, Stan, Al, and Lenny to get me up, for I know God will be there too.

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 04:14:29 PM »
I saw RTF in 1977 and it was great.  But it wasn't the four in this lineup (these four are my favorite RTF).  I would love to be able to see this tour.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 05:56:18 PM »
Yeah, Chick had a big band Swing-like Black-Tie groove called RTF (the same name) and his wife even joined the parade with songs like Music Magic, So long (Or good bye) Mickey Mouse, I'll love you rain or shine and even Stanley sung songs too. However, although the music was ok  (if nothing more) for a big-band sound, I thought it was a bit too much fan-fair, and way away (Miles AWAY) from what I expected from RTF.  
 
What I mean here is: it was like stage a musical extravaganza that could follow a Marry Pippins Broadway show. Its sound like they were try to appeal to The Brady Bunch mind set. (Kind of an idealized culture they never was invited to attend). In otherwords It was pure bullsh_t. Ok I said it, oh that felt good too.  
 
I was very disappointed, to say enough...or the least and I was trying to figure out where in the hell were they going? I think Chic let his lawyers and managers take control during that time.  
 
I am sure both original members of RTF (not involved in that version; Lenny and Al) probably looked at each other, not only scratched their heads, but also took a long look at each other and gave each other a long hug to the folly.  
 
I don't want to sound harsh, but when I heard Chic?s wife Gail on the cut sing Come rain or shine I thought of a saloon tavern, I just knew this album was not made for my ears. Hey, its cool, for this was before the American Idol...and you just knew she had to be related to somebody in the group in order for her to be lead singer. Nepotism LIVE or reverse EVIL.  
 
Seriously, the 4 members Al, Lenny, Stanley, and Chic is the only band I would travel anywhere (I do mean anywhere on earth) to see jam.  
 
That?s my two cents.

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 10:21:36 PM »
Come to think of it, there was a 4 record LP set simply entitled: RTF. The album set promotion was a huge loss for the big band release.  
 
The moral of that story is...
Don't lose your main fan base to satify the tastes and benefit a potential less or non appreciative musical audience...To do so, you'd confuse even your own band members toward eventually departure with the orignial purpose loss.  
 
Its true, the Grass is greener on the otherside, if the other side, has astro turf, green dye no. 5  
 
P.S. Even Microsoft jumped on the band wagon with their own brand for RTF.
 
For many newbie?s and computer geeks out there think RTF means Rich Text Format developed in 1987... Just when it was easy, things just got more difficult yet again.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 05:39:32 AM »
Albums from years 1972-1975 are often sold under Chick Corea's name.
 
The complete list of line-ups
Return to Forever Band Members (1972-1973)    
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Flora Purim - vocals
    * Joe Farrell - saxophone
    * Stanley Clarke - bass No Alembic
    * Airto Moreira - percussion
 
(1973)    
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Bill Connors - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass No Alembic
    * Steve Gadd - drums
    * Mingo Lewis - percussion
 
(1973)    
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Bill Connors - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass No Alembic
    * Lenny White - drums
 
(1974)    
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Earl Klugh - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Lenny White - drums
 
(1974-1976)    
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Al Di Meola - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Lenny White - drums
 
(1977)    BIG CIRCUS SWING MERRY MELODIES FLOP
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Gayle Moran - vocals, keyboards
    * Joe Farrell - saxophone
    * John Thomas - trumpet
    * James Tinsley - trumpet
    * Jim Pugh - James E. Pugh - trombone
    * Harold Garrett - trombone
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Gerry Brown - drums
 
 
(1977)    BIG CIRCUS SWING MERRY MELODIES FLOP
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Gayle Moran - vocals, keyboards
    * Joe Farrell - saxophone
    * John Thomas - trumpet
    * James Tinsley - trumpet
    * Jim Pugh - James E. Pugh - trombone
    * Harold Garrett - trombone
    * Ron Moss - trombone
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Gerry Brown - drums
 
(1977 - 1982) BAND SPLIT (YEAH, AND WHY NOT)
 
(1983)    All 4 Members headlined their own albums and individual points of music views, and by this time period, the young masters, branched off to create on their own identity and made some very successful and wonderful music on their own, but at times, I would see some collaborations on their albums if business found it prudent.  
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Al Di Meola - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Lenny White - drums
 
(1984 - 2007) BAND SPLITS again DAMN!
 
 
(2008) (announced)   And this time... I hope and pray they had enough stuff gained in lessons learned from the fame, other vanities out the way, (But I doubt it... to much temptation out-there).  
 
But hopfully for the most part, they'd matured enough to understand each other and can own enough of themselves to make 10-20-30 more albums together.  
 
Heck, purchase a ranch with a studio, and call it Electric Lady Land Studio Ranch and produce the next American Idol JAZZ talent show. This would bring balance to the force of music. If Mace Wendo from Star Wars, would had said it best.  
 
    * Chick Corea - keyboards
    * Al Di Meola - guitar
    * Stanley Clarke - bass Alembic  
    * Lenny White - drums

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 02:26:30 PM »
I have to say, the original line up with Flora and Airto was my favorite, but I'll definitely be seeing them when they get back together. If they play in NYC, that is.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 03:38:03 PM »
Yeah, that was some beautiful music. One tune I love from the same group formation, was the Cystal Silence piece with Joe Farrell solo.
 
That horn solo, still after 30+ years still sends chills down my spine (it was so good, it knocked upon my spiritual doors to enter).  
 
Yeah, I totally 100% agree with you darkstar01. Man, now that you mentioned this era, it would be so nice, to have Flora Purim voice on the line up once again. That was no nonsense conceptual Jazz meaning: It was like Bruce Lee's version of Kung Fu. Still Jazz, but even more effective in the art, and technique.
 
Those guys were aged in their teens and/or 20's too!?
 
Remarkable music, and sublimely performed like cutting through butter with a hot knife.
 
Then the Alemebic sound would soon be revealed in Jazz for the first time thus; taking the bass sound to a whole-other-level. The young bass apprentice, Sir Clarke would accept the honor to duel between the Chester and the tyrant with his Excalibur (Alembic sword) to test its true worth. Final results: Needless to say...

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2008, 11:03:20 PM »
Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, Al Di Meola and Lenny White Planning Extensive North American and European Tour
 
Return to Forever, one of the most influential groups of the 1970s, have long heard calls from their many fans for a reunion tour. Now those calls have been answered, with the classic lineup of keyboardist Chick Corea, bassist Stanley Clarke, guitarist Al Di Meola and drummer Lenny White planning a tour across the U.S. and Europe that will be their first performances together in more than 25 years.
 
The foursome is expected to play 40 to 50 dates across the U.S. and Europe, featuring the classic music from their four chart-topping albums. It's been a long time coming, says founder Chick Corea, and I think it's going to be a blast! We plan to take the songs from the albums we made in the '70s and just play them like they’ve never been played before.
 
In retrospect, the '70s were a very powerful time in instrumental music, Stanley Clarke adds. We're going to go out and play our music as honestly as we did then, and it will be a great thing for all of us.
 
Return to Forever helped create and define fusion, a new genre that brought multitudes of rock 'n' roll fans into the jazz world for the first time. Their influence is evident today in many musical genres, from the hip-hop samplings of Dr. Dre and Lupe Fiasco to a litany of jam bands to techno and prog bands.
 
A special Return to Forever anthology featuring remixed and remastered tracks from the classic albums 'Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy', 'Where Have I Known You Before', 'No Mystery' and 'Romantic Warrior' will be released to coincide with the tour.
 
Al Di Meola says, This is something we've talked about for close to 30 years... how's that? 30 years! We've come close a few times, but finally the timing was right.
 
We all felt the time was right to come back on a grand scale, raise the bar again and show people what serious music is really about, Lenny White concludes.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2008, 11:08:09 PM »
We all felt the time was right to come back on a grand scale, raise the bar again and show people what serious music is really about, Lenny White concludes.
 
Strong words, and many people know, they could back everything up too. 2008 is GREAT!

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 02:14:41 AM »
I'm still on a high at the prospect of seeing them live.
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