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jazzyvee

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History of the Stanley Clarke small body shape?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 12:20:12 PM »
The stanley vs Jaco thing will go on forever and really they both appeal in different ways and its great that we have the contrast between them for us to fit into. I guess for one thing, getting jaco's sound is much cheaper than getting Stanley's. The small body shape alembic is easily my favourite shape.
 
His bass on stage the other night with RTF was absolutely beautiful.
 
 
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2008, 12:21:20 PM »
Oh yes, I can totally relate to that!  
 
It was Stan who changed my perspective about bass playing for sure! Stan injected a hell of a lot of fun into the whole thing - whereas Jaco was probably a far more intense & edgy individual and musician package!
 
I feel its a shame that Stan, in a certain way, was overshadowed by Jaco. The two players cannot be compared at all, both so very different!  
 
Stan from a very early age had experienced the ravages of alcohol abuse at the hands of his sometimes abusive father and probably watched Jaco implode with sadness in his heart! The experiences that Stan lived through during his upbringing probably placed him in a better position than Jaco to deal emotionally with success in my humble opinion!
 
Sorry guys for going off the subject of this thread.
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 04:05:45 PM »
Jaco [Dramatic pause -- Pan facial...]
 
He was as close as you could get to a bass.
 
Jaco gave emotions and expressions of love and softness like no bass player ever. His sound was pure as the flowing breath of a pacific blue whale crying in tears.
 
Beauty in even his sadness.
 
Jaco's bass, kept him alive longer than he would had lived with out it.
 
Personally, Stanley is Academic. Down to earth, with more commercial appeal. Stanley is the guy next door, who BBQ's in the back yard and play with his children like most successful family guys with Alembics. [I THINK...???] -- Benefit of the doubt...

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 04:18:52 PM »
I use to think Stanley Clarke and Dr. J (Julius Erving) were the same person in the 70's.  
 
Hey, I was only in the 6th grade...
 
Both had beautiful Afro's and cool as ice...

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 04:28:07 PM »
Like Dr. J, Stanley is a tall guy too.  
 
I am sure Stanley can SLAM the rim just as hard as he SLAMS his bass!
 
Now I'm a player from the streets of Philadelphia.
And now my sound is round and deep and brown and blue sometimes.
 
SHOOOOSH!!!!!!  
 
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2008, 03:19:35 AM »
I have to add that the day I bought those 2 albums was about the heaviest day bass-wise that you can imagine!

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2008, 03:50:54 AM »
Sorry again for deviating wwwwwwwwwwwwwway off the subject but for Jaco fans I would love to recommend the debut release of Hadrien Feraud!
 
IMHO he plays the way Jaco would if he had survived and had been practicing hard for the last 20 years - he is a SENSATIONAL fretless player/composer! A fantastic jazz cd all round from a 22 year old kid
 
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2008, 05:00:41 AM »
Post some links John
 
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2008, 06:35:57 AM »
George - its me your talking to here! Takes me all my time to figure out how to get onto this forum and make posts
 
Hadrien is also John Mclaughlin's preffered bassist of choice at the moment - if you cant find him anywhere maybe try Johns latest material??
 
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2008, 11:22:18 AM »
The small body design with S1 predates Stanley Clarke.  
 
The Alembic small body was not created nor designed for anyone, including Stanley.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2008, 12:26:32 PM »
The Alembic small body was not created nor designed for anyone, including Stanley.
 
Do you have any evidence to back this up? It strikes me as a very strong statement.

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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2008, 01:55:08 PM »
Oh, that's an easy answer...
 
I would hope Alembic owns both Design and Utility Patents on their guitars and electronics devices.
 
For... He who holds the patents, makes the rules...
 
[I am speaking from this perspective my friend.]
 
Also, in references to my statements, Alembic was strongly against endorsements at one time.
 
Things may be different now, for they have a SC bass available, and on the market.
 
I am not sure if Stanley was involved or not on the SC basses.  
 
I only know from what I had read here.

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2008, 04:26:45 PM »
Endorsement is different from designing something for someone - case in point: the Exploiter shape, which was done for John Entwistle. According to the history of body shapes, John Entwistle wanted the Exploiter body. He bought 15 of them. The Exploiter is a variation on the famous Gibson Explorer design, and it was designed and made for John Entwistle, and fortunately for many others. Elsewhere it states, our customer David Fung designed the Stinger Omega. Or how about this: The first Elan was made for a customer in Japan that wanted a very Jazz looking bass. So body shapes have been designed and made for customers, even designed by customers. This is different, in my opinion, from the issue of endorsements.  
 
The thing that struck me was that the Stanley Clarke shape isn't mentioned at all on the body shape history page, which is why I asked. Well, the fact that I recently took guardianship of one is another reason.
 
I don't mean to pick on you hendixclarke, but your statement sounded like speculation stated as fact. If you spoke to someone at Alembic about it, or read something in a published interview, etc., then that's another story.

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2008, 06:22:27 PM »
Fact:
Stanley Clarke acquired his first Alembic in 1973 and it was later stolen...
 
Fact:
Alembic never called this first bass The Stanley Clarke Bass in 1973.  
 
STANLY'S Words:
 
I met Rick Turner when we were playing at the Boarding House in SF, and in a nice way he told me, Look, you really play well, but your sound is atrocious He told me to try the bass he had with him; I think it was one of the first alembic basses. So I tried it out and it was great. And I haven't changed since.
 
. . . it was about $1,200, but by that time I was making a bit of money, so the burden wasn't too bad. It ws more culture shock, I think, because I was used to paying $400 for a bass. It had gold-plated hardware, a curly maple neck, great design, fancy pickups and a fancy cord. I didn't know what any of that meant, but it sounded the end! And that night on the gig, it was like a new bass player had been born. I could suddenly play anything I heard in my head. The problem with the Gibson bass was that I'd hear things and try to play them and my fingers would go along but the right sound wouldn't come out . . .
 
Fact:
Stanley Clarke Signature bass wasn't introduced until 1986.
 
Therefore, the shape was already available before the Signature small body.
 
I hope this helps...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alembic_Inc
http://www.alembic.com/club/messages/393/42224.html?1190660259

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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2008, 02:13:14 AM »
Well whatever the true history of that small body shape is, it seems to be firmly engrained in the psyche with Stanley Clarke so that's cool enough for me and will always be seen, by me anyway, as the Stanley Clarke bass.
 
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