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pauldo

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« on: July 18, 2008, 08:37:02 PM »
We all should be familiar with the infamous 'spider' bass of the OX's but when and which Alembic did he start with?
What brought his attention to Alembic in the first place?
 
just curious.....

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 08:45:07 PM »
As I heard the story, he found a secondhand Series 1 in a guitar shop around '74, and promptly ordered six customs.

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 09:01:42 PM »
According to Oliver, the Zebrawood four string Series I pictured on this page was his first Alembic.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2008, 01:41:33 AM »
Hi Guys,
as Dave already mentioned: yep, it is the Zebrawood.
 
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 07:55:24 AM »
You guys probably are well familiar with this excellent resource site. If not, enjoy.  Colin
 
http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equipment/bass/equip-entwistlegear.html

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »
Great site! I had never really had a good look at John's stuff. I was most surprised at seeing the Lakland Fenderbird prototype. Makes you wonder if it would have gone into production if John had not passed.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 11:47:40 AM »
One of the pivotal moments of my bass playing infancy was at the first (and best) live aid.
 
I will never forget when Entwhistle sauntered onstage with THE WHO, strapped on his Alembic and hit three or four notes nochanlantly - the ABSOLUTE KILLER tone was staggering!  
 
I was very sad when John switched to Warwick some time later. RIP.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 11:53:08 AM »
But do you remember when his bass wasn't working and the two stupid VJs were talking trying to fill up air time, they finally got a bass working and started and the VJs wouldn't shut up!
 
I forget the story - someone help me out! Something was wrong with the bass or the power supply so that bass was exiled to a Hard Rock Cafe...

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 12:18:28 PM »
Yep, Johns Spyder No.1 is in the hands of the HRC like many many of his other basses.
 
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 12:59:16 PM »
John I agree with your statement:
I was very sad when John switched to Warwick some time later.
 
It was about that same time when he really got into alot of processing of his tone and became a bass guitarist instead of a bass player.
 
For me Quadrophenia and the Ox's bass playing on it changed my life for ever.  
 
I saw him in 1996 on his Left For Dead tour and was greatly dissappointed to not be able to actually hear his 'buzzard' bass because it was just a roaring over processed sound.  
 
It might have worked for him in a stadium situation but certainly not a small venue like Shank Hall in Milwaukee. :-(

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 05:42:16 PM »
Harry,
I think your right in your recollection,the power supply went out,or was it the 5 pin cord?... and the show had to go on...so no more live alembic performances for JAE,  
 
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2008, 12:11:21 AM »
Did anybody out there watch the VH-1 Rock Honors show honoring The Who?  It premiered last Thursday (7/17).  
 
There was a very entertaining clip of John that I hadn't seen before.  It looks like he's in the warmup room with a Buzzard on and the camera shooting mostly at his back.  He turns and says this is the bass player and plays a little figure, then flips a couple of switches on his rig and says and THIS is the Bass Guitarist and unleashes a snarling burst of Entwistle.  
 
Yes, I too think the later Entwistle years were suffering from overprocessed tone.  The Quadrophenia sound is amazing, both on the original album (it sounds like this was in the Thunderbird years to me) and on the soundtrack album (mostly the same tracks, but it sounds like the bass lines were rerecorded, this time sounding like an Alembic).  
 
Pete Townshend is my favorite artist, period.  The VH-1 show was definitely not a memorable Who performance unfortunately, not really measuring up to the last time they were on tour a couple of years ago.  I think Pino Palladino is a great bassist, but his playing with The Who seems particularly flat and uninspired.  I never had a chance to see the real Who with Moon live.  The first time I saw them was with Kenney Jones (it seems like it must have been the first Farewell tour; Townshend was playing the Schecter Teles in that show and it seemed like the set list was heavily derived from Who Are You?), and that started the bad precedent of personality-less substitute players.  
 
In the VH-1 Honors show, there were covers by Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam among others which were unusually straight covers.  Even though Jeff Ament was staying very close to the recorded tracks, I think any Who fan would rather hear somebody like that handling the bass lines over Pino.  
 
VH-1 will repeat this show ad naseum over the next month, but if you can't get it, I can blast the Entwistle clip online.
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2008, 12:23:40 AM »
I must agree with David reference the VH-1 show and the post-John Who.  Pino's a great player, but he's not John.  I watched the VH-1 honors and cam away mightily unimpressed.  This is not to cast aspersion on Pino - he's a great player, with chops I wish I had - it's just to say that John is a hard act to follow.  For me, when John died, so did The Who.
 
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2008, 10:16:18 AM »
It is now the Daltrey/ Townshend Show. They are still great together but they certainly are NOT The Who.
 
Pete's skills as a songwriter are unmatched.

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2008, 12:02:42 PM »
Well, for me THE Who was Entwhistle and Moon! I love Roger and Pete ( such a incredible creative driving force - but not a great musician!) but the musical virtuosity certainly came from The Ox and the Loon!
 
I think (but I may be wrong) that shortly prior to taking the stage at Live Aid John's tech had trouble with last minute, unexpected, adjustments to the neck - it had gone a bit loco! John was distinctly unimpressed with any neck that would not behave to his liking! I think that this, along with the pin problem, led to that particular instruments demise.
 
He should have gave me a call - I would have disposed of it, he he
 
John.