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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2014, 11:01:20 AM »
Edwin ,  
            The Plangent process does indeed have an amazing result on  restoration work if it is within our budget.  Sonic Solutions No Noise was a good choice. There are a few less expensive processes and a few different systems for analog to digital transfers  , including Waves Restoration Bundle , Izotope and a few others . Much of what can be done depends on the budget of a project. The 24/192 VS 24/96 argument has been around as long a 24/192 has been possible.  In my opinion I do think that one resolution fits all for transfers . ___ Music to lectures and instructional material , Books on Tape , ETC ... ... ...  24/96 is good for many projects.   I think that everything is relative  as to the variables.  24/192 might not be to everyones liking.
 
  The Beauty of PONO is the capability of 24/192 in such a compact convenient Envelope  and being able to hear 24/192 resolution as in a Protools HD like , top of the line playback  resolution system for everyone.   Certainly there will be enough music that will be enhanced . I think an ultimate test of 24/192
might be recognition of different Violin Bow resins in a violin solo;
http://www.allthingsstrings.com/Bows/CARE-MAINTENANCE/The-Differences-Between-Dark-and-Amber-Rosin    Maybe that is a bit far -fetched , but maybe not if you know what to listen for ! And that is my point ,Not everyone may be aware of such differences __ BUT is it awesome to discover them ____  That is why I prefer Alembic Instruments ! I heard ____and I liked ___ what I heard ___!
 
 Perhaps  Pono can become   ____Every Persons HD  audio playback :  The point of having PONO and 24/192 ___in my opinion

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2014, 01:12:22 PM »
I think we're pretty much in agreement, here, Wolf. I will note (probably not for you but for others following the thread) that Plangent does something very different from Izotope RX (which I have and is amazing), Waves restoration, etc. It uses a super sensitive head on a modified tape deck to extract the latent bias signal that resides under the signal at a very high frequency. Given that the bias signal is very stable, any variations in tape speed from wow and flutter is represented in variations in the bias tone on the tape. Plangent reads the bias and then reverses the fluctuations in speed, resulting in an analog sound that gains some of the benefits of a digital signal, in terms of an extremely stable time function. RX and Waves can do a lot to clean up the sound but they simply can't address things like this.
 
I'm still not sold on 24/192 but I am sold on the improved converters. But, with the mastering done on most pop records today, it's all wasted. But hopefully people will hear the horrible distortion from unconscionable limiting and demand cleaner masters. Cleaner masters coupled with the Pono/Ayre converters will result in a greatly improved musical experience. It would be very cool if the converters could be accessed by a digital input so that other sources could utilize them. For me, personally, I have Metric Halo and Grace Design converters in my systems already, so there's no need to replace them; I want this to succeed to see an improvement in the media I can play back.
 
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2014, 02:11:55 PM »
Absolutely Edwin,  
The Plangent  Process Addresses issues that nothing else has been able to do. Mr. Jamie Howarth told  us about it over on the Ampex List ( the father of the process).  http://www.plangentprocesses.com/  
 
http://tapeop.com/interviews/btg/94/jamie-howarth/
 
 Mr. Stephen Barncard  (also on the Ampex List ) who  has engineered some incredible music releases also rates the Plangent Process  very highly(  for those who are not familiar with this name ,check out these credits )
 
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/stephen-barncard-mn0000751579

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2014, 05:17:02 PM »
Wolf and Edwin,
  This is a great discussion and insight about actually making recordings sound as good as they can be instead of the relentless compromise.  
  Wolf, Thanks for sharing all these links. I looked into the Ampeg / Studer lists, it sounds like you need to be a member to peruse?  
 
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2014, 06:03:46 PM »
Pete , yes The Ampex List requires you to sign up to view or post. The Studer list is the same and is also more closely moderated and more formal  in some regards and now more restrictive to the various  vintage Studer Machines that are completely roller guide equipped such as the A80 type/ A827 ... ... etc ... ...  There are solid reasons for that that I do not need to digress here about.  Pete,  I will send you an email regarding the Ampex List.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM »
The double post gremlin did it again ____
 
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2014, 07:03:33 PM »
Hello Pete ,  
 I tried to send you an email regarding the Ampex list.  The email link on your profile did not seem to work .

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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2014, 08:29:33 PM »
Hi Wolf,
 Please try it again my profile E-Mail was setup as a URL. It's right now.  
Thank you
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2014, 09:00:54 PM »
Pete ,  
Email sent ___

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2014, 08:02:10 AM »
And an FYI - Acoustic Sounds has been doing high resolution digital downloads for a while now, in various formats.
 
The DSDs here exceed even the Pono format, I believe.  I wonder if Pono will play any of these files?
 
http://store.acousticsounds.com/cat/365/DSD