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« on: September 01, 2015, 10:21:52 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 12:58:48 PM »
Bass porn! I knew if I hung around long enough ...
 
Oh my. A Gorgeous Series II, a P-Bass, an Ibenhad SD GR 5-string with the Charlie Hunter/Novak thing goin' on and a Music Man 5-string (that seems to have too many knobs).  
 
The Novak fanned fret thing is really interesting. It's one of the few ideas that's made me immediately think; hey, that's a great idea! You get the benefits of the longer scale right where you need it, and the clarity of the shorter scale on the upper register. That must sound AWESOME.
 
I went to the Dallas Guitar Show with a friend, a true Texan. He wasn't going to spend a dime. After he handed over the cash for his SECOND guitar, he shook the seller's hand and said; you have no idea how much my wife hates you.
 
That's how I feel, looking at that thing. *Stuart Townsend must feel like that a lot. Yeah, I covet. My palms itch. That's as close to an ideal arsenal as I've ever seen. The only problem you face, as far as I'm concerned, is trying to put one down once you've locked in with it. You know what I mean? Especially with a good drummer. Holy cow.
 
This illness started when my dad bought a '62 P-bass for me when I was 9 years old, because everybody in my family plays an instrument so the ol' man was sick of me battering away at the cutlery. It was either bass or drums, and I think even he had to admit I wasn't dumb enough to be a drummer.
 
So I'm familiar with P-basses, but I have never replaced that one when some scumbag stole it in Seattle. He might as well have reached into my rib cage and tore my heart out.
 
I like playing other people's, though.
 
Hey, speaking of Novak, take a look at this:
 
http://www.truetemperament.com/
 
How about that? That's different, making your OCD work for you. Note that the biggest squiggle is on the G String, third fret.  
 
So both Novak and True Temperament are approaching nearly identical issues of scaling and temperament in two radically different ways.
 
Note that the bridge for the the acoustic is dead straight. On the electrics, the saddles are in standard intonation positions. (I did hundreds of original Floyd Rose setups, where you had to lock everything down to make even the most minor adjustment, and if it was off you had to take the whole damn thing apart again. So I have an eye for that kind of thing.)
 


 
 
Notice that they all vaguely follow the Novak thing anyway (I think one of the most charming things about Gibsons with stop tailpieces are never really in tune. Teles with log saddles, either.)
 
So the answer is between the two approaches: a Novak approach to scaling by fanning the frets, correcting temperament with minor adjustments in the frets. (Plus, it would look really cool.)
 
You're a genius, I tell ya.
 
After all, the more you split the difference, the more effective each approach is at solving the other's problem at the same time.  
 
I'm assuming from your act of shameless bass porn that you are a man of exquisite tastes. Bravo, sir.  
 
You have no idea how much my wife hates you
 
 
PS: Carvin!
 


 
 
That was @2004(?) Gotta get some new pics.  
 
 
*Stuart Townsend is Charlize Theron's boyfriend

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 01:04:27 PM »
Too many brandys and all my fretboards begin to look like that.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 02:32:11 PM »
Nice collection John! As a recent convert to 5's as well, welcome to the club!
 
Ed, I have never seen the True Temperment frets, thanks for sharing! It looks weird but obviously it works!
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 04:20:14 PM »
This taught me everything I know:
 
http://www.spinaltapfan.com/articles/guitarworld2.html
 
 


 

 

 
 


 

 


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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 08:17:18 PM »
That fanned-fret Ibanez bass is cool! I remember when they released those. I like the SR bass line, interesting how it goes from entry level to hand-built in Japan. I have an SR506, it has that really shallow but wide neck profile (I'm terrible at talking about this stuff in a technical way) - it sounds great - nice lows, sparkly highs - but doesn't really match my style. I would love to Alembicize it!
 
How do you like the pickups/electronics in yours? And how's that bass rig?

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 01:15:05 PM »
The Carvin head with the TC cabinets has been working well for me. I like the way it all sounds and I can move it all by myself.
 
The Ibanez bass strikes me as sounding more like the Alembic and less like the Lakland, if that makes sense. It's very much *there* in your face, for lack of a better description. I think the center frequency of the highs control is lower than I'd prefer, but I've played it in two different venues now and mostly have just left it flat or rolled-off a bit of upper-mids.
 
As for that true-temperament business, I'm sticking with Bach's practical solution. There's much to be said for being able to intonate in several keys.
 
John

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 12:00:46 PM »
>>> I think the center frequency of the highs control is lower than I'd prefer, but I've played it in two different venues now and mostly have just left it flat or rolled-off a bit of upper-mids.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 12:45:01 PM »
I was being chastised in the studio years back for pulling my low G out of tune while we were tracking. Turned out that the floor tom was tuned to a very sharp low G. Vindicated, I was. ;)
 
In most situations, bringing 250 hz down a few db does wonders for the clarity of the sound system. It's the magic frequency.
 
And yes, mixing with EQ makes everything better. That's why I use flatwounds on the bass so much.
 
John

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 09:04:07 PM »
Hey, me too! One of my favorite things about my Series 1 is that strings are so easy to pop on and off. I keep different sets handy depending on the gig. In fact, one set is unknown brand black tapewounds of unknown vintage that I found. I just love the thud. They're barely musical, they're so dead.  
 
Perfect for bouncy stuff. I've got a set of Maxima golds I've been hoarding for two decades or so (they stopped making them for a while) really warm sound, very nice for big ballads because they're almost like playing arco, they have such smooth sustain.
 
And of course, a zingy new set of cheapie ten-dollar Carvin/GHS roundwounds. (I used to buy 'em in bulk from Carvin, now they only sell sets).  
 
Hell, when I started playing bass, we used to boil them in milk. I kid you not.

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 05:58:05 AM »
I've been using Fender flats on the Alembic most of the time, but at the moment I've got a D'Addario Pro-Steels fetish, so it's strung with those, with a .040 first string.
 
I've been using the D'Addario nickle wounds on the fretless Lakland, same gauge. I think I'm going to switch to Pro-Steels there as well.  
 
I *think* the Ibanez came with Elixers, but I can't find any definitive information on it. They're heavier than I prefer at .045, but man that bass sounds great. I've got a couple of sets of Pro-Steels on order from bassstringsonline.com for it, using a long-scale 4-string set and a single extra-long .125 B.
 
The Fender Precision has Fender flatwounds. It's perfect in that it sounds the way it sounds, and nothing's going to change that.
 
John

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 06:36:20 AM »
Milk?  Really??
I've known guys who boiled them in water or alcohol, but milk's a new one on me.  Huh.
 
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 06:04:25 PM »
Yup, milk. Horrible idea. It was 1972, I was 15 and some meathead said; boil them in milk. (I was very gullable)
 
Never did that again.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2015, 01:40:48 AM »
Boiling alcohol can result in  catastrophic results, in particular on an open flame gas stove top .

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2015, 05:35:23 AM »
My son tells me the best thing is to just take them off the bass coil/uncoil them a time or two and reinstall.
 
There was a Stephen Stills interview in Guitar Player Magazine back in the late '70s where he said he cooked his bass strings in barbeque sauce. I wonder how many people tried that after the interview was published? Probably quite a few.
 
John