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surfrat29

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« on: October 16, 2008, 12:03:59 AM »
I'm hoping somebody can give me more info on this Alembic 8-string bass used by Tom Petersson in Cheap Trick. The bass was used on the Dream Police album in 1979 to record the song Gonna Raise Hell and it can be seen in the video for the song Voices. Petersson recorded several other songs with it, and Jon Brant also recorded a song with it several years later.  
 
This photo is from 1980. Does anybody know when this bass was built? When did Petersson first start using it on stage? I recently ran across a few photos of CT bassist Pete Comita using it on stage in early 1981. This suggests it wasn't Petersson's bass or else he would have taken it with him when he left CT in 1980. So was it actually owned by Rick Nielsen? Any insight will be greatly appreciated!
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 06:54:43 AM »
Gonna Raise Hell has the best bass tone EVER!
 
I've heard that he played the Alembic quite a bit with his own band in the L.A. clubs during the '80's, but this is the first picture I've ever seen of it.
 
John

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 07:12:48 AM »
I found this article
 
 
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Alembic.
 
In addition to the long-scale models I use live, I've got an 8-string model with a 32-inch scale; it used to belong to Rick Nielsen. I have a purple Stanley Clarke model, a long-scale fretless, a long-scale 5-string, a 20th Anniversary, and a John Entwistle-type, which is a Spoiler with an Explorer-shaped body.
 
 
 
Maybe its the same bass.
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 10:10:31 AM »
Guys,
you got me wondering on this.
Isn?t Tom famous for the use of the 12string basses?
And I ever thought that Gonna Raise Hell was taken with a 12string?!?!
 
Just wondering
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 10:54:40 AM »
Hey Todd-
Thanks for that link! I found the photo of Allen Woody with his basses from Bass Player magazine and it looks like the Alembic 8 is on the right side, right in front of the 18-string Modulus.
 
We recently interviewed producer Tom Werman on my website (12stringbass.net) and he confirmed that Gonna Raise Hell was the Alembic 8-string. Tom Petersson was the first bassist to play a 12-string bass, and he does use his 12-string basses on GRH when he plays it live.

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 01:50:03 PM »
I dunno, Mark - that one looks a lot more Carl Thompson-ish than Alembic to me.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 02:02:16 PM »
This is one of Tom Peterson's 12 String Kidd bass with my two Alembic's
 
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 05:08:26 PM »
I lean towards agreeing with Peter - it certainly does look Carl Thompson-ish.
 
I saw a video somewhere of Woody playing that 18 string - MONSTOROUS!  
 
Allen Woody was the sum of all bass heroes! He took a little bit of everyone and made it into himself. He is legendary. RIP

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 11:14:02 PM »
Oops. I dug out my BP and if I'm reading this right, it's a Karl Kimensky. There are a couple of Alembics but they're tough to see.
 
I'd love to know what happened to all these basses.....
 
Whose black 12 is that to the left of the Kids?

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 05:42:08 AM »
I have played that 18-string Modulus.  In fact, I came very close to buying it instead of 811952.  Vic Zinn Music in Noblesville, Indiana, was asking $3k for it with an anvil case...
 
While I have no regrets about having 811952 built, it would have been nice to have that 18-string...
 
I think that black 12-er is a Hamer..
 
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 06:04:45 AM »
yes, the black 12er is a Hamer, they belong to a friend of mine

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2008, 12:57:37 AM »
Tom Petersson had a long and very visible history with a variety of Hamer 12-string basses, but the Hamer 12 wasn't really a reality until around the time of the live Budokan  albums.  Before that time, the multi-string bass sounds were Alembic.
 
Petersson worked with Jol Danzig at Hamer to build the first 4x3 12-string bass, but the concern of the enormous string tension caused them to build a 10-string bass first (only 2 courses on the lower strings).  
 
The tonal change between the Alembic and Hamer is pretty enormous - the Hamer was recorded with much more distortion.  On many of his later basses, there are separate volume controls and output that feed bass and guitar amps and which allow him to blend distortion to clean mix from the bass.  
 
A lot of the basses used in Cheap Trick were in a pool of instruments belonging to the band, nominally owned by Rick Neilsen.  I have a bowling pin white 12-string Hamer that was purchased directly from Rick via Gruhn Guitars.  It's the bass the Pete Comita used in the Chicagoland concert video around the time Tom Petersson left, was used on tour by Jon Brandt, and in the studio on a number of albums.  It's a pretty unusual bass - it has DiMarzio X2N guitar pickups, completely parallel stereo wiring (each pickup is a separate active EQ circuit and volume knob that never join, even on the stereo output jack).  It's amazing to play - you'd think that it would be very hard to play an instrument with 3 parallel courses, but this one plays with a beautiful action.
 
I also had an opportunity to buy the 18-string Modulus that was also built for Tom Petersson.   It was built by Modulus at enormous expense, delivered to Petersson who never paid for it.  He left it at SIR in LA where it sort of languished in a warehouse for many, many years.  At some point they were cleaning out old stuff, found the instrument, couldn't connect with Petersson, and eventually contacted Modulus to find out what it was worth.  Since it had never been paid for, it reverted to Geoff Gould at Modulus.  I went up to play it and thought about buying it (Geoff knew I was a huge Cheap Trick fan), but it was so odd, unwieldy, and expensive (seems like Geoff, who's a longtime buddy of mine, wanted around $4000)  that I just couldn't bring myself to buy it, even with the amazing pedigree.  It was better off with Allen Woody - it would have just sat for another 15 years in that gigantic flight case if I had gotten it.  
 
I did end up having a very unique 35 12-string through-body Modulus bass built, which took two trips to NAMM shows and has appeared in Bass Player mag.  It's 4x3, built on a Quantum 6 TBX neck form.  The body is shaped like a Gibson Ripper bass (I have always loved the shape), with a carved body with a super-thick quilt maple top (so the Ripper body carving is all in figured maple!) and mahogany body.  It's 1/2 maple and 1/2 mahogany like the famous Hamer Quadbass that was Tom's main axe for many years.  It sounds amazing.
 
I've always loved multistring basses.  I have a Series 8-string from 1980, a Modulus 8-string Quantum, a Hamer 8-string, and even a very old Veillette-Citron 8-string.  
 
 
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2008, 07:47:09 AM »
Wow, this thread kind of popped up out of nowhere and became fascinating! I'm a big fan of multi-string basses as well, more through Doug (dUg) Pinnick of King's X, though I listened to Cheap Trick without realizing I was hearing multi-string basses. I've got a couple of Rickenbacker 8-strings. An Alembic 8-string is a dream that I've had for a while and don't see fulfilling for a while.
 
It's really exciting to see fellow club members with similar tastes but much more interesting experiences!
 
Here's a website that has some interesting stuff, including an interview with Pete Comita (never heard of him until this thread!), pictures of lots of 12-strings, and an interesting article on the creation of the 12-string bass...
 
http://12stringbass.net/

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 08:32:51 AM »
I first played the 18-string at the '81 NAMM show in Chicago.  I played it for a bit then Tom Mulhern (I think that's his name) showed up and I was chased off (after being the only person so-far who'd dared give it a whack).  
 
A few weeks later Vic Zinn had it, and it was for sale with the anvil and a $3k price tag.  He told me then, if I recall correctly, that it had been made for Tom, who didn't want it.  
 
So it was likely that either someone else left it at SIR, or even that after not finding any likely buyers it was sent there to get it out of the way with the hopes that maybe Tom would change his mind and use it after all.
 
If you've ever had the pleasure of playing a Warrior 15-string bass, imagine a neck that's at least another 20 percent wider!
 
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 09:42:58 AM »
My favorite in that Woody pic is the gold one with the long lower horn on the back row slightly to the right.  I played one of those about 10 years ago and regret not getting it.  I can't remember if it's called a Moonvox or Spacevox or something like that with the word Vox in the name.  It was super cheap and had a crazy, twangy sound I haven't heard since then.