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glocke

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2009, 12:43:24 AM »
Well, I sent  pm's to both people that claim to be former owners of that bass, but have not yet recieved a response.  Also brought this to the attention of the current owner to see what he has to say.
 
I agree with olie that the bad tone problem is more a result of the player, but I am concerned about the neck issue.  If there truly is an issue, thats probably enough for me to back out of the deal....its a shame because that is a nice looking bass.
 
As a side note, I spent some time on that level42 website, there is some interesting reading on there...there seems to be more than a few people there who are anti-alembic....claiming that they think alembics are too thin sounding and dont cut through mixes very well....pretty weird. My series I and my SCSD are far from thin sounding, and cut through a mix better than any bass Ive ever owned..

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2009, 01:03:07 AM »
Two points -  
 
Firstly, most people on the Level 42 digest are ardent Jaydee fans because they love the early Level 42 sound. If you are after that one sound only a Jaydee can get it - it's a very distinctive tone. However, from Mark King's POV it wasn't actually the tone he wanted - and indeed he only ever used his Jaydee combined with a pretty heavy chorus effect, never 'dry'. The sound he was after was a combination of his heroes - Clarke and Pastorius, mostly Clarke. He sstarted with  Jaydee because out shopping for equipment with his newly-signed advance money, he spotted one in a music store in London, it looked like his dreambass Alembic, but was within his price range. The Jaydee he bought had actually been made for Stanley Clarke but Clarke had thought it a gift and rejected it when it came with an invoice from the luthier.
 
It is no surprise then, that having reached a certain success level he dumped Jaydee for Alembic. Mark also used both filters wide open on his series II, with neck pickup on 3/4 volume and bridge on full. That for me isn't the optimum setting for cutting through the band mix, but it is the Mark King sound (and let's face it, he was prominent in the mix as the band's 'star' so could get away with it!) so I can see why the previous owner of this bass was trying to match it.
 
My second point is a simple price one - this bass is seriously overpriced, particularly in current market conditions. The last time I bought a Series II privately it cost me ?3K (2003), and even one with good as pretty as this and front and side leds should, in my opinion, be maxing out at ?4.5-5K ($7.5K). This is why the bass did not sell - not because it is a dog (any neck problem can be addressed, and I have rarely seen a more beautiful bass) but because the market didn't agree with the price.

glocke

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2009, 01:09:53 AM »
Oh, I worked a deal out that was not the ebay price...it wasnt great, but was still alot less than a new one....
 
Im pretty ignorant when it comes to addressing neck issues.  If the issue is as bad as is discussed in the level 42 thread, is there a way that the mothership can address it?

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2009, 03:05:02 AM »
Yes - a heat bend. So you bought the bass? I am jealous! It is beautiful - well done and don't be put off by the people complaining about tone - you will get to grips with the controls and find just what you are looking for.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2009, 03:08:35 AM »
lol sorry you already have a series I so you will be more than capable of finding the sound - maybe they weren't? a lot of bass players used to bass and treble controls find filters hard to adapt to.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2009, 03:14:53 AM »
just came to an agreement as to price...I havent actually sent the funds yet...the comments in this thread made me think twice, and to be honest Im not sure if I would want to spend that much on a bass that would require me to send in to alembic to get worked on...I still have time to think about it.
 
as for the comments about the sound, I just ran my series I one with the filters all the open and both q switchs flipped to the maximum boost...not a pleasing sound at all...

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2009, 03:29:11 AM »
Well, think carefully - as a work of art it is indisputable, but without trying first it's still a lot of money to spend - particularly after you add in the import duty, etc. Personally if I had the money I would go for it, but then I am in London and could try the bass before buying so it's different for me. I am pretty sure the neck can be heat pressed back into shape - there have been a lot of threads recently about this, and I have no doubt the tone is as sweet on this series II as any other. But of course, it's always a gamble!

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2009, 03:32:17 AM »
Strange??
If I run mu Series 1 (1976) flat out like that, I get an amazing sound.

glocke

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2009, 03:38:12 AM »
Import duty....Will I need to pay that on a product that was made in the U.S. ?  I couldnt talk you into going to check this bass out could I Paul?
 
Strange??  
If I run mu Series 1 (1976) flat out like that, I get an amazing sound.
 
I guess its all about taste..I seldom turn my bridge or neck filter more than a qaurter of the way open.

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2009, 04:16:37 AM »
Import duty is about 35% of value of bass and yes you will have to pay it - no way round it! You could underinsure the value of the bass for shipping and hence pay less duty on that value, but if the bass gets damaged you will kick yourself.
 
I was actually going to offer to check it for you, but I will be in New York and Bermuda for next 7 days on business - if you are happy to wait til 26th I will definitely go look for you (always happy to play a pretty alembic), give my OPINION on the neck, and report if series II electronics are working correctly, whether there is a a strange unexpected bad tone, etc.
 
I also love the wide open filters sound, but only on brand new strings, and only because I am a Mark King acoloyte lol - I think it sounds lovely for bedroom twiddling, but doesn't really fit most gigging situations.

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2009, 05:19:28 AM »
You do not have to pay import duty on an American made instrument being returned to the United States.
 
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2009, 05:23:01 AM »
Have to agree here
Everything is all about the user's personal taste.
I just love the way a low F  sounds with some hard hitting though
My favourite sound is with the pups set at about 1/3 way up.........a sort of holloe tone that is very bell like
Ask Bracheen.he heard it through the phone once, and said it soundes just like church bells on a Sunday morning!

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2009, 05:24:32 AM »
sorry for the spelling mistakes............it's this keyboard..........cant spell for tofffaayy

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2009, 03:04:57 PM »
more than a few people there who are anti-alembic....claiming that they think alembics are too thin sounding and dont cut through mixes very well....pretty weird.
 
wow, unbelievable. without even knowing the circumstances, I blame the sound guy. My little Orion sits in a mix (studio or live) better than any bass I've ever played. And the whole reason I lusted after Alembics for all those years was because the fundamental tone is so thick and warm.

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2009, 12:32:31 AM »
Just an update for anyone interested...this bass arrived yesterday..Have to admit it is a very stunning instrument to look at.
When it arrived the action was set up VERY low and had a set of super light gauge strings on it, I actually prefer a fairly high action, so I spent most of last night setting it up to my liking with some TI Jazz flats on it.   The truss rods were completely loose, I guess to compensate for the back bow that one former owner claims the bass has, I cant really detect any significant backbow with this bass and  I havent touched the truss rods as of yet....
 
Sonically, everything seems to be working fine, although I was not prepared for the dramatic (to me) difference between this bass (medium scale, coco-bolo top, three PH pinstripes in the neck) and my long scale series I with a maple top and two PH pinstripes.  My series I has more of a bright, dainty,  piano like sound to it, while this series II seems to have a darker, more powerful sound..I had always thought that any tonal difference between one series instrument and another would be minor, this clearly is not the case....
 
Anyway, its a great instrument...