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glocke

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Need Advice....keep or sell series I to get a series II
« on: January 15, 2009, 11:10:52 AM »
So I was going to order a custom series II this year..but I think I have found one that is VERY similar to what I was going to order, at a fraction of the cost.
 
The question I have is this.  Is owning a series I and a series II just redundant?  the series II is a medium scale which I think would be more suited for me...the series I is a long scale which I struggle with from time to time...
 
Whats a Series I ('97, AAAAA quilted mape top), in great condition going for these days anyway??
 
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 11:40:01 AM »
Very similar at a fraction of the cost??? Sounds like an obvious choice to me.
 
I switched to medium scale a couple of years ago and now have three - I resisted making the change for some time ( being a traditionalist) but wouldnt go back to long scale now. Low string tension, increased playability and virtually no compromise on sound at all that I can notice!
 
Oh, forgot to say ..keep the Series 1 if you can too.
 
John.
 
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mike1762

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 12:05:35 PM »
Unless you need to sell the SI to fund the SII, I wouldn't sell the SI.  Has anybody ever NOT regretted selling one of their Alembics???

glocke

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 12:31:00 PM »
Well, it would go along way towards funding it...ive actually got a couple of purchases going on, but until both items are in my hands Im not saying much...

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 02:14:42 PM »
I had to sell my S1 to get my S2. I did have them together for a short period and it was cool as hell but reality is a butt kicker and this is what I planned to do anyway. Redundant to own both models? I don't think so especially if you can afford it. I would love to have that S1 back but I'm glad I went the route I did(which was to try out both basses together and get a feel for those CVQ controls on the S2 package) and without much/any regret. If the med. scale fits you better than go for it. I'm 6'2 and first position is kind of a pain for me too, although I play my bass at the 9:00 and 3:00 position and should angle the neck up some to alleviate this.also consider that if the bass was'nt made sometime in the '90's it'll probably need the elctronics upgrade which can be pretty expensive depending on the severity of the problem, double that if you've got the S1 and S2. Good luck on your purchase.

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 03:01:22 PM »
Hey Greg-  
 
You know that every Alembic is slightly different.  If you haven't already owned and played a bass, you don't know if it will work for you.  I wouldn't sell the Series I until you have had the Series II for at least six months.  At that point, you'll know which bass speaks to you better if one even does.  You may find you use both, or that one never leaves the case.
 
Even if you're still thinking about ordering a new II, I am a big fan of buying used for research.  If you buy the bass you're looking at, it will either confirm or alter your perception on what you'd want out of a custom.  You might find that medium scale doesn't work, or that it is perfect.  You might find that you wish the string spacing were a little wider or a little tighter and be able to specify that to perfection.  You might find that the upgrades in the Series II don't do anything for you over the Series I that you already own.  After your research period is done with the used bass, you can probably sell it for most of what you paid if you don't love it.  Even if you eat $300-500 on the deal, it's good insurance against a possible $5000 mistake on a custom order.  $5000 being an estimate of what you might lose if you have to resell a custom Series II that doesn't work for you.
 
As far as value of your Series I goes, you should be able to make an immediate sale at $3500, a reasonably quick sale at $4000, and patience might get you as much as $5000 depending upon the appearance and features of the instrument.  If there's someone out there thinking about ordering a new bass like the one you're selling, then it will be very appetizing at half the cost of a new one.  It's an odd market right now and the bottom could drop with this economy at any time.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 03:50:15 AM »
This bass is also located in the UK.  Does anyone know if I will have to pay import duties or any other fees on this?
 
Also, if any UK/European members can chime in as to the price used of Series II basses overseas Id appreciate it.  
 
FYI, the bass in question is this:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Alembic-Series-II-Bass-Guitar-with-f-s-RED-leds_W0QQitemZ220339981372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item220339981372&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
 
I had actually contacted Basscentral about placing an order for this same bass (minus front LEDs, and std. point) about a month ago...

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 05:28:06 AM »
Used Series II are very rare in Europe. Some years ago I had my eye on a very nice one with omega cut and front led's:
http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/1459.html?1037581699
I think the price was about 7.000 Euro.
Actually the German distributor has a used Series 1 for 4.500 Euro:
http://www.station-music.de/
--> Bass --> Alembic
So this might give you a roughly idea of the prices here.

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 06:54:01 AM »
Hi Glocke,
 
I just thought you should probably know that there has been some discussion of that bass on the Level 42 web digest - one of the members there claims to have once owned that bass and says it's a bit of a dog. This is the link to the discussion - http://www.level42webdigest.com/forum/showthread.php?p=179696#post179696
 
You might want to at least have a quick chat with the chap who claimed to own it to see if you can ascertain whether his comments have any truth.
 
Yours,
 
Karl
(ps, I'm 'kidcharlemagne' in that discussion . . .)

glocke

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 07:29:55 AM »
yikes.  thanks for the heads up...hard to believe an Alembic can be a dog...this certainly has my radar up about paying that much money for something so far away sight unseen.
 
I did contact the former owner, im interested to hear his response...
 
I may have to go ahead with my custom order after all...

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 08:24:00 AM »
That was a very interesting thread Karl.  
 
I would be more concerned about the neck issues Gregory than the bad tone issue he was having.  
 
From what I read he was playing the bass with both filters cranked wide open allowing ALL freqs. to pass. If I do this on either of my S-2's I get a very hollow mid heavy sound. The bottom end is there its just that it's buried beneath the mids which are naturaly stonger anyway.
 
I set my filters with neck filter almost wide open & CVQ at 3/4 boost the bridge pup almost full closed and and the CVQ about 1/4 boost. I can then blend the volumes to get a good fat bottom and crisp clean top.  
 
That being said, I would be concerned about dropping that kind of cabbage with out playing it first, for about a week ;).
 
OO

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 08:45:33 AM »
And the solution for the backbow problem appears to be to detune your strings, take a very thick book (at least 3 inches), stick it under the strings then tune up.
 
At least that's what one of our French friends did. He posted a picture of his SC set up like that just the other week - anyone know where to find that post?

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 09:42:43 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 09:49:23 AM »
Harry, that would indeed be it. Thank you for coming to the rescue!

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2009, 10:02:37 AM »
The picture with the phone book is a powerful image!