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« on: July 09, 2004, 05:50:59 AM »
I had not heard about these bases before.  What do you guys think?http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4713&item=3735173661&rd=1

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2004, 06:10:41 AM »
Initially I thought this looked highly dodgy - then I checked the Lieber site and the SC connection looks real.
 
Susan, this is a Lieber design guitar. On his site (http://www.lieberguitars.com/opener.htm) there is a Garcia Design guitar which looks remarkably like a tribute (including inlay) - do you know what the story is?

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2004, 06:40:48 AM »
Wow!  How blantant is that?  Well, if you're going to copy something, copy the best!
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2004, 09:47:07 AM »
David,
 
In addition to Lieber Guitars, there are a few companies out there that will build Jerry Garcia replicas. Although they specialize in Lightning Bolts, Resurrection Guitars will make a Tiger replica on request. Reuter Guitars has something they call a Jerrycaster, which is very similar to Tiger's body in overall shape, but seems to fall short in every other respect. Matt Moriarty from Moriarty Guitars in NY builds what is considered to be the difinitive Tiger replica - exact in every respect, if ordered as such...from the tiger inlay on the coverplate to the intricate wood inlay work on the back of the guitar.  
 
As I understand it, Alembic's mission, if you will, when it came to the Tribute was just that...to pay tribute to the memory of Jerry Garcia and the music he created, not to create a carbon copy of his instruments. I originally considered having Matt build me a Tiger, and may still do it one day.  
 
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2004, 12:26:39 AM »
So who designed and built the original Garcia guitar (on which the Tribute is modeled) with tiger inlay? I always assumed it was Alembic.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2004, 06:14:33 AM »
Jonathan, don't you have a Resurrection Lightning Bolt?  What can you tell us about it?  I like what Jerry is said to have said about Bolt, the guitar I've always been looking for, or the guitar my hand has always been looking for, or something like that.  Would love to read your impressions of yours.  Thanks!

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2004, 08:54:12 AM »
David,
 
Doug Irwin built Tiger and Rosebud, the two guitars upon which the Tribute body style is based as well as Wolf, which served as the influence for the Further guitar. Those are the three most famous, though in interviews, he says he bulit 5 for Jerry. He worked for Alembic for a couple of years during the 70's. While I believe he strated Tiger while still employed at Alembic, it took him somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 years to finish, so he was no longer working there by the time it was finished. Rosebud was entirely post Alembic.  
 
Billy,
 
My Lightning Bolt has been in production for going on 10 months now. I should have it by the end of July. It has some Alembic hardware on it, so I'll definitely be posting pictures once I have it in my hands.
 
Jonathan

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2004, 02:00:52 PM »
Jonathan ,
 
Thanks for your post but it's hard to know the history of some things when there are so many versions flying around. People just can't seem to resist rewriting history. I know that Alembic should write such a book but we're so busy with new designs, custom inlays and building instruments for all of you, who has the time? Before Ron and I kick off we will do it but for now, perhaps the following can shed some additional light.
 
Doug Irwin worked for Alembic when the instrument now known as the Wolf guitar was built. He was an apprentice with no previous guitar buliding experience.
 
The instrument was designed and built at Alembic, originally sporting the Alembic Headstock and logo that Doug later replaced with his own. It did not have the Wolf inlay at first that was added by Doug years later.
 
There were other guitars made at Alembic for Jerry, of the first dozen instruments made, 5 were guitars for Jerry. He wanted a guitar that had the smallest body imaginable, I called them peanut guitars. Those guitars eventually evolved into the Guitar that later became known as Wolf. BTW we currently have a peanut guitar number 6 made for Jerry that we are refurbishing  for sale.
 
Variants of the Tiger and Rosebud designs were also begun at Alembic, loosely based on SG bodies, however we did not make the actual instruments and I had let Doug go for various reasons not available to this site.
 
Doug bought the neck laminates from us as well as various other parts i.e. pick ups, electronics and hardware for Jerry's as well as other instruments. Those instruments have had a myriad of changes done to them since their original construction.
 
In General:
 
Don't you just love Urban Legends?  In all the years that stories have been written about Jerry's instruments ( as well as many others) or the origins of Alembic, who founded the company, who designed what, the number of people who actually contacted Alembic to verify facts wouldn't fill one hand. Afterall, we are not that hard to find or talk to. Even in later years to recent publications, some of the people knowing that past facts they put into print are erroneous are either unwilling or not in any hurry to contradict themselves in new writings. I think it may have something to do with their egos. Who wants to admit errors in print?
 
The problem stems from creating something as special as Alembic. People want to be associated with that feeling of being special, who can blame them for that? I can, when they bend the truth to the breaking point.
 
 
One needs only to believe the truth of their eyes and ears to decern where the truth lies and the fiction begins.
 
Of all the people who claim affiliation with Alembic( and some never even worked here) from those who claim to be an original founder or those who claim design credits, none bear any resemblence to what Alembic has done and continues to do both in the physical design of the instruments or in the electronics superiority. Because when all is said, written and done, the rhetoric pales and fades away to the evidence that none of these claims can be supported with anything they have produced since leaving the creative umbrella of Alembic.  
 
No one person ever has built an Alembic Instrument. It always has been and always will remain an Alembic Community effort. I think that is part of the magic.
 
So the historical thread and future consistency is safe at Alembic with the founders and original designers, Ron and myself and of course the heir apparent Mica along with our dedicated staff of artistic craftmen and luthiers.
 
I also want to give much credit to all of you, the musicians, who have continued to support Alembic through all the years. We are a customer driven company, you all inspire us to go Further than we would on our own.
 
With Thanks to you all,
-Susan

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2004, 05:58:45 PM »
Beautifully put, Susan.
 
Regards,
 
Jonathan

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2004, 06:41:14 PM »
Thanks, Susan.  
 
As the saying goes - Success has many parents, but failure is an orphan.

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2004, 08:25:55 PM »
Susan has the same wonderful quality as my mother of not making you feel the fool when all of your facts aren't quite right...it's all in the delivery. I never considered such stories the stuff of urban legend, but I guess they are. Clearly Alembic's wonderful inlaid logos are a testimony to their colorful past. I consider myself fortunate to be a small part of this collective effort to which Susan refers, if even for only a short time thus far.
 
 
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2004, 11:21:32 AM »
Susan,
Thanks for clearing that up...  It is as I hoped it was.  Sadly, there will always be those who feel the need to rewrite history.
 
One of the many things I love about Alembic is that you folks let your work do the talking for you.
 
Thanks,
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2004, 04:49:09 PM »
That peanut guitar is a very interesting piece! Susan, can you please post some pics when it is complete?!?!?
 
Of the 10-15 minutes I spent in Susan's office the other week, most of the conversation  touched on the disputed truths.... As interesting as it all is, verifying all the hearsay  is not my trip (last thing I wanna do is argue w/ a bunch of brainwashed deadheads, lol)~ besides the instruments will always speak for themselves!!!!  
 
So..... did Doug start that luthier school w/ all the money from the auction of Wolf & Tiger?!?!?!?

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2004, 09:14:50 PM »
Susan:
 
Is the guitar in this photo one of the peanut guitars?
 

 
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2004, 09:32:01 PM »
That does  look like a peanut guitar. Too bad the shot is so grainy.
 
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