Author Topic: 2 x 10 Combo's help (Read 579 times)

dubalbal · « **on:** March 11, 2009, 11:25:14 AM »

Hello Friends ,

For smaller venues , i'm looking for a 2 x 10 combo and i found 3 products that i absolutely know nothing about...cause i never plyed a combo and either of these brands ( I played ebs and play aguilar now for bigger venues ) .

So here's what i found :

1) Swr working pro 210 C - 240 watts

2 )Gallien Kruger 700RB-II/210 - 360 w

3 )Fender TB-600C Combo 400 Watt/8 Ohm

I will be really happy to hear your comments about these ones and please , if you have any other suggestions , tell me !

Thank's

Alain

olieoliver · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:54:58 AM »

I've nevere tried the SWR 210c but I did try the Super Redhead 2x10 combo and didn't really like it much. It was a little too thin in the botton end for me.
Our Church has a GK 700RB/2x10 combo I've played thru and really liked. It had plenty of punch and I love the kick back monitor style. Allow for me to hear myself without getting too loud on the rest of the band.
I've never tried the Fender.
My personal combo is a Eden Metro 2x10 and it kicks some major butt. But it is very heavy.
I've had to have it repaired twice too. I guess that's not too bad as I've had it for at least 10 years.

OO

bsee · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:02:32 PM »

Alain-

I don't have specific experience with those three, but did use an SWR Super Redhead and an Eden Metro for a little while. Both worked but I didn't love either one. I was playing a five string at the time, and the B-string just sucked at bar volumes. I don't know what it is, but the tone had no meat to it.

You might consider a modular rig rather than two completely separate rigs. If you have a pair of Aguilar cabs for larger venues, can't you just bring one for the smaller gigs? You could also pick up a very small head of 300-500 watts and ten pounds or so to run it. If you have matching cabs, then one can stay in the rehearsal space and the other can go with you on small gigs.

Over here, I am a big fan of Schroeder cabinets and can use a 35lb cab with either two twelves or a ten and twelve. Stick a few hundred watts on top of one of these and it can do just about anything while remaining compact and portable.

I once carried multiple full-sized cabinets for larger venues, but look back on it as a waste of time and effort. Sure, it looks more impressive, and that's okay if it's part of the band's presence. The reality is, in a larger venue, you need house support and the rig should be about stage volume. Cranking a lot of watts through a couple fifteens and four tens doesn't do a lot for the overall stage mix or your hearing.

-bob

funkyjazzjunky · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2009, 02:00:31 PM »

What kind of music do you play? What size band?

dubalbal · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2009, 02:36:58 PM »

I play both venues small and big ...i mean , pubs , bars as well as 800 persons shows...and we are a 4 pieces rock cover band .

In one year , we play around 70 to 80 gigs , let's say 50to 60 in smaller venues. In most of them i play with my amp head and a 4 x 10 box...in many cases , this is even really too much for the size of places cos i usually play at ridiculousely low volumes... so i plan to buy a combo that would suit better smaller venues .

My back is also giving me that good advice : get a combo , travel lighter... :-)))

Alain

gtrguy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2009, 03:35:55 PM »

All I know is SWR and I'd go for the Golaith higher end stuff only. Used is fine.

Bye,
Dave

bsee · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:05:53 PM »

Alain, I don't believe combos travel lighter. They may move as one unit for fewer trips in and out, but a small cab with neo speakers and a separate amp is much easier on the back than a combo. With a combo, one must move the cabinet and head as one unit and you may be looking at serious weight. For example, the Fender you identified above is just over 100 pounds/45 kg, the SWR is 85 lbs/38kg, and I don't know the GK.

-bob

keith_h · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:47:06 PM »

My thoughts are similar to Bob's. Why not look at a couple of neo 2X10's. Most combos are better than 75 lbs where as a neo 2X10 can be 40-50 lbs. With a hand truck you can make one trip in and out.

Keith

mario_farufyno · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:53:57 PM »

I'm currently using a Epifani UL-210. After several years injuring my back pushing big cabs around, I discovered these Neodimiun Cabs and got shocked by how low they can sound and how easy they are to carrie.

It is a Cabinet loaded with two 10 Neodimiun Speakers that makes it considerably light weight (38 lbs) - it could be even lighter, if they were not commited to preserve low end response (that demands a big air volume box). Its sensibility is 102dB SPL (seriously loud), can handle 500W and goes flat between 40Hz* and 16KHz (but can reproduce fairly well a B string, though).

* Keep in mind that E string in a Bass has its 1st Harmonic in 41 Hz. So, this Cab is totally Flat to a 4 stringed Bass.

Just to compare with, a Ampeg's 8x10 Cab weights 140 pounds, has 58Hz-5kHz of flat frequency response and got a sensitivity of 100dB. The little Epifani Cab can beat the big Ampeg in all points... I strongly recomend that you test some of these new Neo Cabs. They are amazingly light weight, strong, loud and deep sounding. There are some other companies that makes their own versions of Neo Cabs you should consider, like GK and Accugroove...

crobbins · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:57:37 PM »

I have the MarkBass 2x10 combo. It sounds great..42lbs......

ajdover · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2009, 05:13:42 PM »

Alain,

I strongly recommend the Mesa Boogie Walkabout Scout Combo. You can get it in either single 12 or single 15 speaker configuration (sorry, no 10s that I'm aware of). It has three hundred watts, a semi parametric EQ, and has tone for days. It also has a downward firing passive radiator that makes this combo sound and act a lot bigger than it is - I've filled rooms with it, lots of low end, no joke (I'm a four string player, standard tuning). It's also fairly light - I'm not sure exactly how much it weighs, but I can tell you that I can handle it easily with one hand (I have the 12 version). I know you're looking for a 2X10 combo, so maybe this isn't your cup of joe, but you ought to look into one for comparison purposes if you get the chance. Here's a link for you ...

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bass_Amps/walkabout/WalkaboutScout/WalkScout.htm

Good Luck,

Alan

dubalbal · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:25:26 PM »

Thank's friends for all the good advices !

Regarding having a neo speaker 2 x 10 , i already have an ebs neo 4 x 10 , it's really light , that's true . The thing is that for small gigs , i don't really want to take my flight case with my amp head , tuner and power supply ds 5r anymore...it weights a ton...sorry , 2 tons ! ;-) That's why i was searching for something all in one with wheels that could almost be carried everywhere with exceptional ease...on the other hand , i also know that a bass player is condamned to have a good back and strong arms just because , most of the time , bass player's stuff are really really heavy...

LMiwa · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:37:56 PM »

Check out the Phil Jones Bass combos. They're light and sound great.

http://philjonespuresound.com/PJWeb11_Bass.aspx#

briant · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2009, 01:04:20 AM »

I feel like I'm repeating myself here because I can't remember where I've said this before.

You can have a very light weight rig that is insanely loud for nearly any situation and it all depends on what you chose to have. My current light weight big rig is under 100 pounds total.

The loud light one is Aguilar DB 680 + Stewart 1.6 + rack == about 45 pounds. Then add a Markbass 4x10 at another ~50 pounds. That rig is retarded loud and sounds fabulous. For something smaller you could have a less than 4x10 Neo cab and it would be great.

On the other side I have a few Mesa Boogie combo amps. The bigger of the two is a Venture combo. It is 140 pounds. It crushes. I've used it for shows with 3000+ people and it is more than loud enough to handle the gig.

With something like this you need to figure out exactly what you want and what you need projecting from the stage. I was obnoxious with my Venture combo at the 3000+ venue and I had the front of house guy tell me to turn down way after I would have thought this is ridiculous from a volume standpoint. I just wanted to see how loud I could get it. That wound up being a great show and I wasn't even close to that loud on stage.

Something to always take into consideration: you have a volume knob and you can turn it down. Overhead is great. You don't need to use it just because you have it.

svlilioukalani · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2009, 02:52:55 AM »

I've been doing small shows with a Genz Benz Shuttle. And add Bergantino cab with 12 inch speaker if I need a bit more. Super light and sounds great.

http://www.genzbenz.com/?fa=detail&mid=2260&sid=610&cid=95