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hendixclarke

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2009, 10:56:25 AM »
Old members vs New members...
 
This site thrives on new members... I am pro new membership.
 
When I get too old, I will find a replacement.

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #106 on: May 10, 2009, 12:16:18 PM »
Hal, I really feel that this site thrives on all its members, new and old.
 
Let me tell a little story.  A few years ago I made a personal insult against a club member.  It was my opinion at the time and I said it.  I truly feel that if I had waited just 10 minutes to post it, my opinion would have changed and I would not have posted.  My insult caused quite a firestorm.  I'm sure that many members read it, thought (rightfully so) that I was being a jerk, picked the wrong forum to level a negative personal comment, and was disrupting a very cool club of very cool people.  Other people spoke up and gave me the spanking that I deserved.  I have since found that the person I insulted is someone that I respect and whose comments on the club I enjoy.  
Even though it was a few years ago, again, I apologize to KB for my inappropriate remark, and to the membership for stinking up the vibe here.
 
So, I would like to follow Bill tgo's last suggestion about letting my opinion (however valid I feel it is) sit for a little bit of time before I click post.
 
I love the diversity of the club, new and old (club membership and actual age), musical genre that we love or hate, technical knowledge (or lack thereof), countries where we live, favorite wood, instrument brands that we love, etc., etc., etc.  To me, along with being such a cool place to hang, this is what makes this club such a rich environment to visit.
Love,
Rich

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #107 on: May 10, 2009, 01:44:03 PM »
I am in agreement.  
 
Making amends is the greatest level of serving ones humanity and dignity.  
 
What does this have to do with me?

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #108 on: May 10, 2009, 03:32:28 PM »
You guy can duke it out.
 
 
I think I'll go over here: http://club.alembic.com/Images/393/64982.html?1241980953

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #109 on: May 10, 2009, 04:08:18 PM »
What does this have to do with me?
 
Well, apparently, it's about me. Loving the sound of one's own kestrokes - write on!!!

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #110 on: May 10, 2009, 04:44:12 PM »
What does this have to do with me?  
 
Hal,
I generally avoid most threads you start and will frequently bypass your posts. The reason is to some extent your over exuberance but mostly it is the way you always seem to be trying to provoke folks (i.e. turning it into a me versus them scenario, taking the contrarian view to your own posts). In internet terms trolling. Unlike most boards this board has generally been harmonious with folks leaving strong opinions other than their love of Alembics, beer and bikes outside. On those occasions where things do go further than they should, it is quickly reigned in. Even when things go a little overboard here it is not to the same degree as many boards I participate in.
 
None of this has to do with new versus old members. It always needs to be remembered that this is a very diverse group of people and we are the guests of the Wickersham's. So I put this question to you. Would you act the same way if you were in their living room with other club members?  
 
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hendixclarke

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #111 on: May 10, 2009, 05:28:45 PM »
Which other club members?
 
Name them...

hendixclarke

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2009, 05:36:25 PM »
Oh, and what would be the discussion?

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2009, 05:41:34 PM »
Okay boys and girls, that's enough of that.  We don't need any board warriors here at the Alembic Club.  If you insist on carrying this to conclusion, please do it via private email.  Those of us who come here for the pleasant experience would appreciate it.
 
-bob

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #114 on: May 10, 2009, 05:56:27 PM »
Man, I just had to make a special folder in Outlook, because this thread was fillin' up my inbox with emails.

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Re: Cool Pictures
« Reply #115 on: May 10, 2009, 07:40:27 PM »
This is the last paragraph of this post.  I?m putting it up here so you won?t miss it.  I don?t like to close threads before they archive, but I?m sensing that everyone would welcome the respite that closing this particular thread might offer.  So I?m closing the thread.
 
I?ve been getting email from club members recently.  One member said that some recent threads have been like seeing a horrible car crash and being unable to look away.  In other words, he would like to just ignore the controversy, but can?t.  And my guess is that it?s hard to ignore because it?s a community issue.  And when you are a member of a community and a problem arises for that community, then it is understandable that the problem will get your attention.  You become concerned.
 
Each of us has a different perspective on this controversy, and this perspective is informed (given form) to some extent by the particular threads we?ve read and/or participated in.  In other words, each of us has a different context within which we are watching or participating in this controversy.  How each of us observes the unfolding of this controversy is unique, and thus how each of us reacts is unique.  And how each of us reacts, and responds, is within the context of our own unique perspective.
 
At this point it seems to me that continuing to react to what others have posted in these controversial threads only serves to fuel the fire; that each post only elicits an escalation.  Thus, it seems to me that continuing these exchanges is not accomplishing much in the way of solving or ending the controversy.
 
I have been in off-board correspondence with a number of members recently, and I have spent a good amount of time trying to resolve this issue.  It is clear to me from both the posts I?ve been reading and from the correspondence that I have received that there are many members of the Alembic Club that care about our community.
 
From childhood each of develops ways of reacting to, surviving in, making our way in the world around us; and for each of us these survival strategies are unique and have been informed by a lifetime of events.  But they are not required.
 
These conditioned responses to external stimuli, these conditioned ways of reacting to the world around us may have been helpful to us when we were younger, but they are not required.  We tend to think of these ways of dealing with others as who we are, as our self.  The self is a great survival tool, and one of the ways it tries to survive is by convincing you that it?s right, that you have to react.
 
But you don?t have to react.  Well you need to react if a truck is coming at you in your lane; but quite often we are in a position as adults to take a moment and breath.  We are not in any immediate danger.  Immediate reaction is not required; quite often breathing, coming to center, opening the heart, allows us to see the bigger picture, to bring understanding and compassion into our interactions with others.  
 
You do not have to question everything someone else says.  You do not have to react and respond.  You do not have to demand that someone explain their position.
 
Quite often we don?t really know how we arrived at a particular position, and we couldn?t really explain it fully because that statement we posted has a whole lifetime of events behind it.
 
And what I may post right now at this very moment is only a reflection of what I?m thinking about at this very moment.  And my brain isn?t drawing on the entirety of information available to it to form the opinion that it is stating in this very moment.
 
So demanding that someone explain their position so that you can understand what it is that they are trying to say might not really be entirely helpful; especially if such a demand serves to exacerbate an already contentious exchange.
 
So breath.
 
Right now, while you are reading this, while you are reacting to what you are reading, while you are forming opinions about me and what I am saying; just breath.  Have compassion for me.  Because I am only drawing on a limited amount of the information available to me gathered over a lifetime of experiences, the flow of causes and effects that has brought me to this point in time and space, to be here with you in this very moment.  So it?s not going to be perfect.  And that?s ok.  In fact it?s entirely understandable that I?m going to write things that don?t make sense to others.  I do it all the time.
 
Breath.
 
When you just breath, when you focus on the breath, watching the movement of air into your lungs, watching the movement of air out of your lungs, thinking of nothing else at all, just turning your attention to the breath, watching the air move back and forth at the tip of your nose, nice easy relaxed breathes, when you?re just breathing, when you notice the occasional thoughts forming, and just let them drift away as leaves floating down a river, returning your attention to the breath, when you?re just breathing, when you?re just present with what is, right now, in this very moment, not thinking about tomorrow or yesterday, not thinking about this or that, when the seemingly ceaseless chatter in your head dissipates and you?re just breathing, just breathing, then it begins to become clear that we are not separate one from another.  Our love and compassion for one another grows and becomes deeper with the realization that we are all interconnected.  Our love for this planet that sustains us grows stronger with the realization that we are not separate from this earth.  When we are just breathing, when we are fully present, when we fully open our hearts, we are not separate from that which informs us all, that which gives form to everything.
 
We are on this planet, we are sharing this experience, but for a very short period of time.  Each of us has the opportunity to choose how we take our next step, how we place our foot on the path.  Each of us has, right now in this very moment, the opportunity to make a change in our lives, to change the direction we are moving in, to discover our selves and our world in ways we have been too busy to notice.  It is not easy, but it?s just one step.  All we need do for the moment is take a single step.