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[mike1762]

I don't think Austin is implying that Stanley is not an AMAZING talent.  He's just saying that Stanley's playing doesn't suit HIM.  That's OK.  I'm more of a pocket player myself and I will often back-off for the sake of the song.  I think musicians with a Jazz inclination tend to make music that is more about virtuostic displays rather than writing a song that a non-musician will enjoy.  That's OK as well... just understand and acknowledge who your audience is and who they are not.

[darkstar01]

yeah but i'm not saying i only like 'pocket' players, either.  stanley's lines (particularly on electric) just never seemed very interesting to me.  but i don't really dig the entire genre he was involved in during his formative years. i'm not a return to forever fan, i don't like his solo stuff. but that whole early era of fusion or whatever you want to call it, doesn't do anything for me. i studied with joe chambers (and if you know chick and wayne shorter's work, you know who joe chambers is), and he said return to forever, chick corea, that was smooth jazz. that was the birth of smooth jazz. tony williams' band (lifetime), now that was the only fusion band. and i absolutely agree.

[hendixclarke]

I am always calm... and I am not irritated by my positive feelings about a wonderful bass player. It's calm warm and fuzzy feeling to speak positive about someone (if you mean it...) Negativity drains the imagination, staggers creativity, hardens soul with confinements, and just plane bad for the Psyche.
 
I am very calm, trust me.
 
Also, I don't believe we ever met before, so please don't try to figure my top 100 or even 10. I asked you a specific question, and you failed to name a famous person who feels like you.
 
Also, about the crazy slang, please don't assume I use words the same way you do.  
 
And then you want to say Stanley's electric bass tone was never liked? Which tone are you referencing?  
 
Please tell me which tone, because you can get an incredible amount of tone from Alembic basses, and Stanley is the one to attempt to try them all.
 
Please answer my question on the tone.  
 
I am clear on what you mean on crazy (we are cool)
Thanks for explaining, but then again I am glad I asked.
 
One more important note...
 
If Stanley didn't take the bass to the limits with what he did, you would still be happy. So, why knock something that's strange?
 
 
You bases are weak, and people said the same thing about Miles Davis when he connected a wa-wa to his horn and entered a new direction with Jazz.  
 
Miles and Gil Evans contacted Jimi Hendrix to join in on this new fusion sound called Jazz-Fusion. This form of music, gave musicians the freedom and the space to move. It was the next step in evolution of discovering more color and greater musical architecture, on a larger landscape.    
 
That is the problem with conservatism in music, it blinds the mind and it locks you down like holding a natural fart. GET THE FUNK OUT OF MY FACE... YOU DON'T LIKE MY MUSIC... Lewis Johnson said it best Alembic in hand...
 
Peace-

[darkstar01]

i'm pretty hesitant to even try to have a conversation with you, but it's late, and i'll give it a go.
everything i stated is my opinion, and no one else's.  i don't need to provide you with someone famous to back up my opinion that i don't like stanley's playing. period.
i never said that anyone, other than myself, disliked his tone.  
i never said his playing was strange. in fact, to me, it's not strange enough. i primarily listen to, and pretty much (with few exceptions) play avant garde / completely improvised music. conservatism is not in my vocabulary.
i know what miles did. he originally wanted jimi in his band, but jimi died. so he (unhappily on some accounts) settled for john mclaughlin.
bottom line, i don't like his playing. that's all i ever said. now if this somehow offends you, that's a bit odd, but i'm sorry.  
as you said at the beginning,  to each their own.
and as far as the fusion argument goes, you can take that up with joe chambers. and i can guarantee you that's not a good idea. he's not the nicest guy on the planet.
 
(Message edited by darkstar01 on May 05, 2009)

[terryc]

Let's not get this thread closed if it gets too personal, there have been too many of these recently.
 
I can agree with both of you, if the tone, songs or technique don't stimulate your brain then it will not happen however many times you listen to it.
Stan's sound was the end as far as I am concerned but I hated Chris Squires tone but his playing is superb.
Horses for courses, there is nothing wrong with exceeding the boundaries and there is nothing wrong with staying inside the boundaries either.
The choice is up to the individual and the world would be a very boring place if we all followed the same path.

[darkstar01]

for the record, i'm not trying to start some kind of heated argument. i just don't like being misquoted. thanks for your input, terry.

[hendixclarke]

Read to your comments...
 
i really don't understand your connection between hendrix and stanley clarke.
 
i guess i never really understood why people were so crazy for stanley's playing. not my thing.
 
Twice, you said didn't understand something...
 
So, the first lack of understanding, Chalie broke it down, to give you some meaning of the connection between Hendrix and Clarke...
 
(By the way, you never follow up with a comment on Chalie's answers...did it help?
 
Then you didn't understand why people liked Stanley Clarke (you used the word crazy...)  
 
So, when you used people crazy and Stanley Clarke in the same sentence it sound personal.
 
At this point, I am feeling a negative vibe from you, and my musical senses was smelling something odd.
 
I am done. I am no long interested in this discussion. I understand where you are coming from. Some things are best expressed with silents.

[gregduboc]

Hal, please forgive me in this intrusion, but you gotta chill man.
You tend to pick everyone's comments and transform it into something you find offensive. And that makes us a bit confused.
Here in Brazil, we have a saying: What would be of the Blue, if everyone loved the Green?
And with that, I want to point out that everyone has an opinion, and we have to respect them. I believe that what Austin is saying is that Stanley isn't to him who he is to you. That is his point of view. And we all have to understand and respect that.
So please, let's cool it down and stop all these virtual discussions (more of a fight to me) and keep this nice place peacefull...
By no means I want to be disrespectful with anyone, I only want to keep this lovely club a lovely place. And do forgive me if my opinion is wrong, but again, it is my opinion.
 
Greg
 
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[serialnumber12]

speaking of Cool pictures
 
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[serialnumber12]

The coolest pic of them all serialnumber#999!!!

[hendixclarke]

All I did was put up a picture, and now I need to chill?
 
I heard somebody say...
 
Something is wrong with that picture... then echos...
 
Something is wrong with Stanley's tone...
 
WHO NEEDS TO CHILL?
 
 
What a joke... My Alembic is back on it's stand man.

[FC Bass]

I guess these are the opposite of "cool" ?  

 

  Note: I was a very angry and disturbed young man back then...

[serialnumber12]

the first pic you appear to be on fire!.......or was it a Hot bass solo!