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crgaston

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2006, 11:09:27 PM »
Thanks, Robert.  I just bid on this. It is the first bid I have ever placed on Ebay, or any other auction site for that matter.  Maybe I'll win.
Charles
 
(Message edited by crgaston on January 03, 2006)

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 06:31:58 AM »
Charles-
What did you think jumping the bid from $500 to $650 was going to do...other than pimp the price for the seller?  The last Spoiler on there was the one with the broken headstock and it still brought right at $1,000...mainly because one guy jumped the price several hundred dollars.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 06:41:24 AM »
It looks to be one of the early ones with the solid koa wings. Nice flame pattern!

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2006, 06:45:48 AM »
Annabel2001 was the original $650.33 bidder. Charles had to bid several times to outbid her. I like to wait until near the end of the bidding to make a bid for the reason that Brainiac stated, early bidding increases the price.
Brainiac shouod lighten up, however.
Perry

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2006, 08:32:18 AM »
Yep, I started with 500 and it told me that somebody else had bid higher, then put in 650 and it told me the same thing, so i put in a higher max bid and it put me at 660.33.  Like I said, this is my first time using an auction site, so I wasn't really sure what to expect.  I am hoping that the time of year will help keep the price down on this, but who knows.
Braniac, if you are bidding on this and might win, let me know and I'll back off on this one.  Consider it professional courtesy (one teacher to another).  What do you teach?  I teach 9th and 10th grade English in a little town in Georgia.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2006, 10:55:38 AM »
I have no interest in this bass, I just hate to see people jump the bid for no reason other than to give the seller more money. If everyone waited until the last minute to bid, prices could be kept much more affordable...for ALL of us. It's like playing poker with poor players. They raise the pot, costing everyone big bucks, yet they never win the hands.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2006, 11:48:37 AM »
You wouldn't feel that way if you were the seller. It has been my experience that Alembic basses, especially lower line Spoilers , Epics, Orions, etc. fetch about the same prices whether the bidding is early or late in the auction.   The best strategy is to bid one time, the max amount you are willing to spend, and leave it at that. If you don't get this one, another nice Spoiler is bound to come along soon enough.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 12:06:52 PM »
...uh, but I'm NOT the seller. Don't ask me to pity the poor seller. As often as not, he is getting every penney or more back from an original investment. Call it wise, whatever.
 
And bidding once, then sitting out, doesn't seem like much of a strategy.
 
And I'm NOT trying to get on your case, just a guy who appreciates the quality but has a hard time justifying the expense.

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2006, 12:10:10 PM »
Hi, everybody,
 
I also made the experience that it does not really matter at what time you place a bid on eBay. Alembics in normal condition almost always sell for the right price.
 
I once had a nightmare being the high-bidder on a Spoiler for a few days at less than $800. It was last year, auction ended on New Year's day, so I thought, well, everybody else must be lying in bed, half-dead from last night's celebration, and I got out-bidden six seconds before the auction ended. That bass sold for over $1.200...
 
Bottom line: there's always at least two persons who want that Alembic, so no matter what, the seller will get a reasonable refund. I wish it weren't so, but I'm afraid it is...
 
Christian (the faker)

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2006, 01:21:34 PM »
re: crgaston
 
You went ahead and jumped it another $100 to $750? What is your thinking? With FOUR days to go, keep jumping $100 everytime someone tops the bid and you'll end up with a like-new price on a 24 year old bass! But each to his own. Knock yourself out.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2006, 02:41:43 PM »
John:
 
It was was not Charles who pushed it another $100. Charles just placed a maximum bid at $750 that was hidden as long as no one else bid the same or a higher amount. So, it's not Charles' fault or action :-)
 
As I pointed out before, top scores for Alembics like this (to me, at least) will end up well behind $1,000. I allow everyone to laugh at me when I'm wrong, though...
 
Christian (the faker) (ready to bid $1,200... no, really not, I simply don't have the cash !)
 
(Message edited by Speicky on January 04, 2006)

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2006, 02:57:18 PM »
Well, I see Christian beat me to some of this, but as I had stated earlier, this is the first time I have ever bid on something.  The instructions said to put in the maximum amount I would pay, which was 750, and it would automatically bid for me up to my stated amount.  Apparently, what happened was that someone wanted to see where that limit was, and so we ended up with the 760 or whatever was on there now, and also triggered my max bid to be entered.  I have made no action other than to bid the one time using the E-Bay-recommended automated bidding process.  It is possible that I am misunderstanding the automated bidding process and it has some sort of time-based function.  I think in the future I will refrain from using the automated bidding function, as it's main value so far seems to be irritating uninvolved spectators.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2006, 03:26:33 PM »
Sorry, Charles, (for giggling),
 
I just read your post, being my own thoughts as an eBay rookie in 2003... kind of flashback ! Now I am an ebay expert (having 35 positive feedbacks, LOL).
 
Placing a max bid is comfortable for you, you do not have to care of others or look up the auction every five minutes, but what if someone out-bids you four days before the end ? Will you check your wallet again and raise your max bid ???
 
It happened to me once that someone raised his bids in steps of $100, obviously to check out my max bid. This someone voided his last bid that bid me out and discovered my max bid. I reported this to ebay, because it was so obvious, and this someone was removed from the ebay platform.
 
I don't see anything fraudulent here up to this point. There are auctions where the price is determined during the first 24h (really !), and there are auctions where you (or I) got beaten during the last few seconds. On the other hand, I've seen enough auctions with no feedbacks exchanged after the deal...
 
And I am only talking about the Alembic auctions on ebay that I was able to watch during 2005, I think I missed just very little exceptions from any rule...
 
Christian (the faker) (still saving...)

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2006, 03:37:24 PM »
I think crgaston wants the bass. When you want something you take measures to work hard and get it.  
 
The first Alembic I ever grabbed was in 1987. It was an '82 Spoiler being hosted by the Freedom guitar shop in Hollywood. The shop owner wanted 1,150, perhaps a bit high but what the heck did I know. I haggled him down to agree to let me have it for $1,000 out the door. He said DEAL and I gave him $50.00. A suprised look appeared upon his face.  
 
We continued to deal.  
 
At the time I was making $7.12 with rent, insurance payments, automotive expenses, and other miscellaneous fiscal responsibilies. I didn't have $1,000.00. This town of L.A. is pricey. Not S.F. or N.Y. pricey, mind you, but still up there as far as costs go.  
 
A layaway plan was agreed upon between the shop owner and I. Every week I would walk into the Freedom guitar shop in Hollywood and give the store owner $20.00 here, $50.00 there, maybe $100.00 on a good week. I think the store owner was taken with my enthusiasm and desire for ownership of the Spoiler.  
 
I hocked my Sunn Coliseum head to the store owner for $50.00 credit, took weekend jobs through temp agencies for extra cash, moved furniture, recycled cans, sat in on a cover band for two paying gigs despite their repertoire being artistically offensive (the lowest I ever stooped).  
 
16 weeks and 4 days later, May 19th 1987 (a Tuesday) I walked out of that store with that bass. I remember the date because it's Pete Townshend's birthday.  
 
I must say that I amazed myself in being able to save nearly an extra $60.00 a week in order to get that bass. It took quite a bit of extra work and sacrifices, but well worth sacrifices.  
 
The only thing I wouldn't sacrifice was my first bass. For that one I washed dishes for four months in 1979 at $2.95 an hour. I was 17 years old at the time and in many ways it was easier to get, due to I was a high school student living at home without the extra bills.  
 
(the bass was a '79 Rickenbacker, for those who care)  
 
Of course I went back to being broke after getting the Spoiler because I gave up the weekend and extra work to do the musician thing; to play the bass(es). I still have the Spoiler. It has been played to death, seen quite a bit of gig and some road work, it doesn't shine as pretty as the day I bought it. Yet it sounds just as wonderful. I should post pictures of it sometime, it's one of the first 50 Spoilers with the decal on the headstock.  
 
John Entwistle himself sat down on a couch and played it once. He then made some disparaging comment (his Alembic's were a bit fancier than mine) and he drew a little design on the back. Unfortunately that design wore off, you can only see a faint circle.  
 
(Despite the rockstar snooty 'tude' about my bass that evening, Entwistle remains my favorite of all the thudstaff thumpers).  
 
Anyway. What I'm thinking is that Crgaston wants that Spoiler bass. And I say GO GET IT