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precarius

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« on: December 11, 2010, 12:42:21 PM »
Has anyone ever used a sf-2 as a stand alone preamp? If yes, tell me what to expect. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 02:12:02 PM »
I haven't, but others have.  The SF-2 does not have any tubes, and obviously does not have a traditional tone stack.  My guess is that it would be like going direct from the bass to a sound board, but with the addition of a couple of super filters to shape the tone.  Those who have posted here in the past that used an SF-2 as a preamp reported that they were very happy with the sound; of course they were using Alembic basses.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 04:38:21 PM »
I have done it , and as Dave has stated above with good results.  
The sound of course doe not have a  tube characteristic but the transient response and feel that I got from it were excellent.  
     It was clear and clean and 16th staccato notes had punch.
 The tonal shaping ability in my opinion is unparalleled. I am thinking of getting a second unit . Very useful !

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 04:53:24 PM »
I play my Alembic thru a tube amp head and am happy with the sound. Why do some players use a pre amp? If I were to use a pre amp would it connect to my amp head? What advantage does this have? I really dont know much about electonics.  thanks

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 05:13:13 PM »
In a  19 rack  system one can use a discrete preamp and power amp along with a large variety of rack signal processing gear.  
One can pick and choose units to create a personalized rack system.
 
(Message edited by sonicus on December 11, 2010)

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 05:24:53 PM »
Like Wolf said, an amp head is essentially a preamp and power amp in one package, rather than a separate preamp and power amp.  Your amp head may have a line-in jack on the back panel that by-passes the preamp portion of the head.  If so, then you could plug a separate preamp into that jack.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 06:51:01 PM »

I have a personalized rack system which I have updated a little since this particular photo. Anyway, I use two QSC 2450, two F-1X, two Bag End DBX 2x10 and two Bag end S18D I have since added an Ashly 7 band parametric eq to dial in more bottom end. I will post an updated photo soon!

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2010, 07:11:11 PM »


 

  Updated  rack system  (Message edited by davehouck on December 15, 2010)

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2010, 07:11:55 PM »


 

  Updated  rack system  (Message edited by davehouck on December 15, 2010)

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 07:14:38 PM »
Sorry about the double post (DOH!)

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 06:45:47 AM »
A rack that sweet deserves to be shown twice :-)
 
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 09:37:50 AM »
Steve, usually the biggest difference between an amp head vs. a separate preamp/power amp rig is tone:  Generally, standalone heads have a certain, small amount of distortion left in them, which our ears interpret as 'warmth'.  When you use power amps, since these are usually built to pro sound system specs, the distortion amounts are many, many times less, so these almost always sound a LOT cleaner.  Couple this with the usually higher power ratings of these things, you have a lot more headroom, which adds to how clean they can sound.
 
And as you can see by Charles' rig above, you can just 'one-piece-at-a-time' it to build quite complex signal chains if desired.  Or if you're needing a BIG rig, you just keep adding power amps and cabs as needed.
 
But it's just another choice:  For some guys, they sound sterile.  Or you may not want to lug around rack cases, etc.  But generally it's for a cleaner tone made possible by the higher spec components, though the difference is not as obvious as it once was.  In the old days when an SVT or Acoustic 360 was as big as you could get, an Alembic preamp and as many Crown amps as required was a HUGE leap forward.
 
J o e y

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 06:32:01 PM »
thank you guys for the short educational course!
so with a rig like charles i assume you (if you) biamp theres a crossover for the 15c & 10s? charles, when you use you full rig do you set up all cabs on one side of drummer or have you ever spit cabs (one 15 & 10s on each side?
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 04:58:39 PM »
I set up (all speakers) on the drummers right side. For rack photo #1, I use that to drive my top end (2:2x10's)the hook up is as follows: from the FX (rear/high pass) I use a Yand go into both rear channels of my QSC which is channel 1&2, the front 2 channels of the F-1X goes into the DS-5R treble. For the bass/bottom end is as follows: The Ashly input goes to the DS-5R Bass, the front 2 channels of F-1X to the Ashley output. The F-1X Low pass (rear) again using Y cable to QSC Channels 1&2. I really like using the Ashly7band parametric EQ because it allows me to dial up some superbly monsterous bottom for my 2:1X18 end thus filtering out unwanted highs!!! Hopefully this will help clear up some things for you.But it really comes down to what you are looking for aurally.  
Please call me Chalie !!!!

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2010, 01:55:58 PM »
I have used the SF-2 as a pre amp and in my effect loop and it is the greatest piece of equiptment ever made. The guy with the huge rig should get rid of his eq and get one of these you cant get any more bottom end than these serve up.High fi sound