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willie

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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2011, 07:35:53 AM »
I use an F-1X with the SF-2 in the effects loop before the compressor. The SF-2 is in mono mode.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2011, 08:35:57 AM »
Thanks fellas! You guys really helped!  
 
I'm taking everything in consideration here. I'll be staying in the US (Boston) during July, so I'll buy it then! It will be a slow process (first SF-2, then poweramp, then maybe F-1X....), but I'll get there!
Thanks again,
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2011, 02:19:50 PM »
I remember that our friend Abidu got one SF-2 (or was it a FX-1?). I really can't remember, but you could contact him and ask for a try on his gear.
 
Actually we could finally schedule that brazilian Alembic gathering and get together.
 
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2011, 03:06:24 PM »
Oooops, double post!
 
Greg
 
(Message edited by gregduboc on June 10, 2011)

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2011, 03:06:54 PM »
Hey Mario! That's true, I forgot about it! Abidu has an Alembic preamp, but I believe it's a F-1X. But good idea, I call him and give it a try!
Unfortunately, I don't have an Alembic to bring to the gathering, Abidu bought all of them from me!! But lets try to make it happen. The only problem is I will be out of the country until September, so let's get back on it on the second semester, and I can bring along my SF-2!
 
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2011, 10:09:58 PM »
All right, bring it on!
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2011, 11:26:52 PM »
Will, I have the same setup and yesterday i got hold of my old boss RCL-10 1/2 rack compressor/limiter/gate and  was trying it out in the chain. I tried it before and after the SF-2  but could not decide which is the wisest place to put it. Do you think I should compress my signal before the SF-2 or compress the SF-2 output before the power amp. How did you decide which was the best place for it?
 
Is it better to have it set as a limiter to deal with the peaks or apply some mild compression the whole signal?
 
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2011, 06:27:09 AM »
Most of what I have ever learned in studying the use of compressors is that they should be the last device in the signal chain. Since you are using them to smooth out louder parts and boost quieter parts so your sound is more even. Too much though and you'll affect your dynamics too much. Just the right amount and you control your dynamics with your fingers. If you put an effect after the compressor , it can introduce gain in the signal path and negate the purpose of the compressor. Since Bass is the most dynamic instrument as far as the variance in it's signal from quiet passages to fast transients and the fact that digital recording devices don't like to have their record level clipped like old tape recording devices where that actually caused a somewhat desireable effct know as tape compression when you clipped the input signal while recording,compressors are very important to get the best signal level recorded without the unpleasant affect from clipping the input to a digital recorder.
I have tried using 2 DBX 160 a's, one on each crossover output of my F-1X so I could compress the highs more to smooth out those loud fast transient signals when you slap or snap a string back against the fingerboard but be able to compress the lows less so the bottom end still came through clear and punchy and loud. But doing that, if you change the volume on the F-1X you have to adjust the threshold of each compressor accordingly to keep it starting to compress the signal at the right level. This led me to just putting the compressor last in the effects loop of the preamp. Plus this way my direct out to FOH or recording device is compressed where as with the compressors on the crossover outputs, your direct out is not compressed. For my other system where I use 2 seperate preamps for a biamp setup, 1 set for highs and 1 set for lows, I use a DBX 160 A in the effects loop of each and can compress my highs independently from my lows. I use a Sansamp RPM and a Sanamp RBI, The RB1 set for highs through a Crown Amp to 4X10 cabs, and the RPM set for lows to a Crown amp to 1X15 cabs.
Both setups sound great But I still usually prefer the Alembic F-1X, SF-2 DBX 160 A and then the cossover outputs the that amplifier cabinet setup. Imagine that. Ths Sansamp setup will definely get that Geddy Lee sound though and offers the independent compression option.
Will

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2011, 07:00:10 AM »
Actual Tape Saturation / Compression  and Clipping  are a bit different from each other  .   I agree that compression with outboard hardware on the Bass signal path is often suited last in the signal path to your recording device in many conventional circumstances, however some applications could vary.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2011, 09:25:20 AM »
Most of my reading about using effects with guitar suggests that the compressor should be first in the signal chain.
 
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2011, 10:52:00 AM »
Where to insert compression has been the object of many debates over the years; pre or post EQ , signal processing ,etc.  Much lies in the effects that rely on a difference of potential in variance of amplitude in order to accommodate threshold adjustments. That is why I never like to say that there is a best way to do it , sometimes it all depends on such variables and personal preferences . What ever floats the boat  LOL ... Of course if the boat just floats and has no means of propulsion then that needs consideration as well ; My 2 cents ... ... ... ...

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2011, 05:37:53 AM »
Yeah Clipping is usually more used in terms of driving an amplifier beyond it's power rating which causes the sine wave to flatten out at the top and bottom which changes the signal from AC to DC which the voice coils of speakers do not like to see. Thats how most people make the mistake of not enough amplifer power for the speakers they are using and they end up burning them up and can't figure out why.  
But I agree, where a compressor goes is up to the person using it and what they are using it for. Most guitar players I know use the little stomp box versions and put it first in the chain before it goes to all those other little stomp boxes they use. Whatever works best for your situation.
Will