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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2015, 10:44:47 AM »
I am in the process of cleaning up my 78 Series I. Places on the back plates where the clear coating had come off had turned a dark reddish brown. When I cleaned the plates with Flitz the worn areas were much more shiny than the surrounding areas. I called Alembic and spoke to someone in the shop who advised me to sand off the clear coat with 320 grit sandpaper then polish and recoat with a light layer of clear spray lacquer so everything would look uniform. I started with 320 grit wet sandpaper then moved to 400 and finished up with a grey Scotch Brite pad before cleaning and buffing with Flitz. I did the rest of the brass parts and they now look shiny and new for the first time in the 30 years I have owned the bass.  
 
When I removed the tailpiece I realized that the center screw had snapped in half at some point and the remaining screws no longer held tight in the wood. Luckily there was enough of the broken screw protruding into the cavity for the batteries so I was able to remove it easily. I am about to plug the holes with dowels and re-drill so I can put the tailpiece back on and reassemble the bass. Mary at Alembic offered to send me a new set of screws for the tailpiece plus a couple for the back plate since one had fallen out. Can't wait to put it back together and play it.
 
While it was apart I also cleaned and buffed all the frets, the fingerboard and cleaned the logo. Amazing to see everything with the layers of grunge removed. I'll post pictures in my showcase thread once the bass is back together.

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2015, 12:37:25 PM »
Hey all I have used Flitz in the past with very good results on my Alembics, I have no issue with using that, I know its a Alembic backed product.
I will try the scotch brite Thanks FC! The bridge is pretty tarnished, and I hear you on marks potentially being left once its removed if I wanted to get a new shaped tailpiece...
 the rest of bass looks new, its amazing and very clean otherwise, sounds amazing and the filter is oh so very sensitive have to remind myself a little is alot. The bass is a beast and sounds like thunder. The icing on the cake is having the bass and treble controls. Down the road they will either be for sale or if I can Ill have EMW controls put in, I know that means a trip back to the factory and the bass will need to be re routed to accomodate....
Ill try and get new pics up.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2015, 12:46:37 PM »
Please post pics stephenr, would love to see it.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2015, 01:48:56 PM »
Using sandpaper, Scotch Brites and Brasso on an Alembic is like using Ajax on a Rolls Royce. If it's your Rolls, knock yourself out, but that still doesn't make it a good idea.
 
Even if it the metal on a customer's guitar is so corroded it looks like they store their guitar in a bus station urinal, the strongest thing I use is a little baking soda paste on a soft cloth, and soft, even rubbing. (There's a lot to be said for soft, even rubbing, and it's usually said by guitarists, I've found.)
 
From Antiques Roadshow:  
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/tips/polishingmetals.html
 
Polishing Your Precious Metals
 
Ernest DuMouchelle, vice president of DuMouchelle Gallery in Detroit and an appraiser for ANTIQUES ROADSHOW, has seen more than his share of valuable metals ruined. Routinely, customers bring him their prized candlesticks, serving dishes, statues, coffee pots, and goblets made of brass, silver, bronze, or pewter.  
 
Often, the pieces arrive damaged not by time or the elements, but by ignorance. Some owners have scoured these objects with steel wool or Ajax. Others have ratcheted up the assault by plugging in their drills, attaching a round, metallic brush to it, and then assaulting their pieces with a gusto only a power tool can muster.
 
Learn how to polish your valuable metals without ruining them
These methods put little grooves in your valuable metals, Ernest says. And such scratches, he says, are not a good thing ...

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2015, 01:59:25 PM »
Very cool, thanks for posting, I will try the baking soda approach.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2015, 01:59:46 PM »
Double post
 
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2015, 02:19:54 PM »
Here is a quick pic, I need to clean her up a bit.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2015, 02:36:37 PM »
Wow, how beautiful!

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2015, 02:53:58 PM »
What a gorgeous instrument! Is that spalted something (walnut?)  
 
A variation I've used as a last ditch effort that works extremely well is *Dan Erlewine's (one of the Gods of repair, at Stewart McDonald http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/DVD/)
 
Line a basin or sink with two layers of heavy duty aluminum foil (you can use an aluminum pan, but it'll be useless for cooking afterward - unless you like the taste of pocket change). Arrange the metal parts so that they're touching each other.
 
Dissolve two tablespoons of baking soda and two tablespoons of peroxide in a quart of boiling water and GENTLY pour over the parts until covered.
 
The alkaline environment creates a very weak electrical current that causes corrosion to migrate to the aluminum - as you'll plainly see for yourself. At the same time, it also causes the peroxide to give up molecules of oxygen that increases the corrosion's transference to the aluminum and causes a very weak electroplating of the materials, which helps fill in surface pits and increases the surface density of the materials.
 
After soaking for fifteen minutes to a half hour, depending on severity of corrosion, remove, rinse and wipe with a soft cloth. It does an incredible job, with no abrasives. It works especially well on old chrome.

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2015, 03:43:27 PM »
Ill totally try that on the half moon thank you for all this info!
Im a bit sketchy on taking apart the actual bridgeintonation parts, the parts where the strings pass over. I may hit that with Flitz when I get new strings and see what it does.
A little thrill today was cleaning off the logo which was caked, its nice and shiny now, Love it.
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2015, 03:47:35 PM »
BTW the top is Walnut, I dont know if its technically superb (an upcharge) or if this bass just got lucky... the body is mahogany and Ebony fretboard of course.
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2015, 03:50:06 PM »
quick back pic
 
 
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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2015, 03:54:26 PM »
oops.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2015, 04:54:01 PM »
Great Googgly Moogly that's a beautiful top!
+1 for putting it back to the Q filter.

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2015, 11:30:24 AM »
I'm a repairman. Here's my hard-earned motto:
 
IF YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT I DID, THEN I DID IT RIGHT.
 
As a musician or collector (or pack rat, as in my case), I hope you agree with the sentiment. That's what you want to hear a repairman say before he even opens your case, right?
 
And I learned this invaluable lesson on other people's instruments. Can you feel me now?  
 
Full disclosure: my first bass was a 1962 Fender Precision bass my dad bought from a guy for fifty bucks in 1967. It had the rare four-color sunburst paint job, and whoever painted it was a Michelangelo. The colors blended so exquisitely that it was impossible to detect the layers. I spent hour and hours staring into it when I was a boy, when I'd put it on and couldn't even reach that darn F.
 
When I was 13 I saw a picture of Paul McCartney playing a natural finish Rickenbacker and immediately stripped the finish off my bass and slapped about three coats of Flecto-Varathane on it.
 
Boy, I'm glad I just blurted my confession and got it over with. That's like 'fessing up to peeing on the Alamo while wearing a dress, which Ozzy Osbourne had to admit to, in open court.  
 
In. Texas.
 
I've lived with the memory of my utterly brainless act ever since, even after some junky stole that bass during a break at a gig in Seattle in 1983. It haunts me, especially because nearly every day I open a case and see some similar atrocity performed on an innocent instrument by well-meaning sufferers of temporary insanity.
 
But I understand it, down in the lizard-brain part of my limbic system: ooh, shiny! Corky likes! Pretty!
 
When it comes to the oh my god, what have you done? Awards, I claim the title. Even in the special married men category, reserved for those of us with live-in judges.
 
My penance is to educate, as many an elementary school teacher has muttered to themselves every morning. So I turn to the masters; Michelangelo. Cellini ( https://newtopiamagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/cellini-salt-cellar.png ) Tiffany, without whom a whole generation of girls would be named something else. Alembic.
 
So I must apologize for so casually throwing the boiling-water-with-baking-soda thing out there, even though I warned that it's a last resort (I didn't tell anybody the REAL last resort, which I've only used once).
 
Don't do it. It's for rusty truck bumpers. Stuff you bring home from the junkyard and tell the wife; I saved fifty bucks! So let me reel this thing back in a little, before somebody fires up their tea kettle and breaks out the Arm & Hammer and takes a wire brush to their Series II.
 
There's a big difference between tarnish and corrosion. Tarnish mostly comes from the air, corrosion from skin contact or exposure to moisture and sulfurous drummer-based gases in the air.
 
This is corrosion on a Les Paul:  
 


 
 
This is tarnish on an Alembic:
 


 
 
(Congratulations if you got that. I'll take 'smug pedantry' for $200, Alex!)
 
The best ways I've found to deal with tarnish is a little baking soda paste with just a drop or two of water on a soft cloth. 99% of the time that's all it takes, and you don't even have to grind away at it.  
 
The next level - the tailpiece on Echo's bass for instance - is the softest pencil eraser you can find. Those gummy white blob kind that are all the rage in the back to school section of your local mega-mart. (Not the pink ones.)  
 
You WANT the eraser to basically fall apart, because all you're going for is to remove the surface layer on the lacquer, not obliterate the lacquer itself. Just gently roll it, extra points for dabbing. You'll know if you have to bear down and rub a little.
 
Remember that the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was cleaned primarily with distilled water sprayed lightly onto tissue paper, allowed to soak a moment and gently lifted off:
 


 
 
(Conspiracy theorists: note the god/brain http://www.thecaveonline.com/APEH/michelangelosbrain.html )
 
That's what you're shooting for, especially with chrome. That's what you're looking at every time you open the case and look at your Alembic. You lucky bastard. !
 
On an Alembic, you should never have to remove the lacquer at all. Lacquer is made to shine, and a soft cloth is your paintbrush. When something shines, it's because light reflects evenly off it.  
 
Frankly, if you have to replate parts, take it to a jeweler. I've never met one who wasn't intrigued and flattered (and believe me, cultivating a relationship with a jeweler is always a good idea). They've always cut me a break on price, just because I asked. It's an Alembic. It's YOUR Alembic.
 
Take an angle grinder to your Fender or Gibson bass all you want (in fact, I'll do it for free on the Gibson), but treat your Alembic like your baby. Except it cries in a much lower register.
 
Now, about Pledge. Not Lemon Pledge. I'm going to do an experiment. Here's my Dad's guitar.
 
https://imageshack.com/i/id6W6Pm3j
 
It's been in the corner of my studio in what I call me time out corner for about fifteen years.
 
https://imageshack.com/i/eyYyuuMEj
 
My dad made those scratches with his belt buckle, in spite of my constant suggestion to wear his belt Monkees style, with the buckle on the side. Apparently, that's for an oblique reference to a bunch of cats.
 
The guitar was made for him as a gift by Emil Dopera. The scratches stay.
 
https://imageshack.com/i/p1Alwolxj
 
Questions?