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« on: August 20, 2011, 04:50:02 PM »
Does anyone have any experience using these strings on an Alembic bass? I have used them on many basses in the past with a lot of luck, but they are crazy bright and I don't want to overdo it.  Also, you have to measure them and install the ball end yourself (pretty easy) but they are a bit larger than a standard ball end, so I don't know how they might (or might not) fit in the bird tailpiece.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 05:31:18 PM »
My Stanley Standard is (and has almost always been) strung with RotoSound SwingBass strings.  I've played them for more than thirty years on every bass I've ever owned.  Never seen a set that didn't come with the ball ends installed, so I can't help you there.  Never had a problem with them other than they tend to peter out pretty quickly.

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 05:35:47 PM »
I used to use Rotos exclusively (RS 66LD), but I noticed as of late that they go dead much faster than I remember.  Now I use DR Hi Beams, .40-.100 on all my basses, except for my Stanley Clarke Sig Std, on which I use .45-.105 gauge.  The DRs last much longer than the Rotos IME.  This doesn't make Rotos a bad string, I just like the fact that I don't have replace my strings as often.  Tone is similar - very bright, and there will be string noise from the fingers, but I like that bright tone.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 08:04:32 PM »
Been using Swing Bass  and flats on every thing for ever,S2,Essence,Jazz,Ken Smith Black Tiger
All great

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 10:39:59 PM »
This was my favorite string on my Steinberger L2.  It was the original OEM string, back when they were branded as Superwound strings and we weren't supposed to notice they had the same address as Rotosound...  The very original Steinberger bridge pieces were a tiny knife edge, designed for the smooth core of the Superwounds as the contact point.
 
I've never gotten a set of PSD since they switched from the hex key/barrel ball end.  I never tried them on an Alembic, but I don't think those old ball ends would fit in the bird tailpiece.  The pictures of the newer cone ends look like you'll have a better chance.  At least if they don't work there, you can use them elsewhere.  
 
I love the sound of the bare core strings!  And yes, I'm a Swing Bass devotee for my 4-string basses.  Never liked the feel of the Swing Bass B-strings though, so lately I've been using DR Hi-Beams.  The description of the Hi-Beams is exactly the opposite of what I think I'd be looking for, but they sound quite good.
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 11:22:20 PM »
I've had this SuperWound set with the wacky "barrel" ball-ends on my 1980 graphite fretless for many years.  (I believe I posted these pics of my weird old bridge a while ago).  I think I have one spare set remaining if they haven't rusted away.  I occasionally rinse them in boiling water.  No frets to knick them, bare core over the bridge seems to make that pivot point easier than multiple windings (might just be imagining that), certainly not too bright for my use - plenty of great bottom end.  Can you still buy these strings? Jimmy J

 

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2011, 12:04:20 AM »
Jimmy
                Thanks for posting a pick of that bridge. I am intrigued by the dimensions of that sustain block . What is the function of the white part near the end?  I have thought of an oversized sustain block for a custom design .  
 
             
 
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2011, 05:26:39 AM »
I thought Superwounds changed to fixed ball ends at some point? Pretty sure I had a set on an old Yamaha BB1100S many years ago, and they lasted a long time, then I changed to GHS Boomers - this was when one still bought strings over the counter, and nobody stocked Superwounds. Then along came my first Alembic, an Epic, and that didn't like the Boomers, so I moved to DR (with the occasional d'Addarios thrown in for good measure, and Tomastik for flats).
 
I've recently strung my Spoiler with DR Fat Beams, the Marcus Miller set. They are advertized as having more low end. Guess what? They have rather a lot of low end. I was used to boosting the lows on my small combo (SWR Workingman 12) to about 3 o'clock for the Hi Beams, now the bass control is on neutral (wasn't using the Aural Exciter then, and still not using it). They're also pretty supple under the fingers. Some of this may be attributed to having a long scale set on a medium scale bass, but I'm pretty happy with it. The set is still new, and they have plenty of high end too. Not everybody's cup of tea, I'm sure, but the same can be said of Rotosound flats.
 
Hm, what about taper core strings?
 
Re-hm - I think they're called PSD now, Rotosound Piano String Design - still come with mounting instructions and all!

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2011, 05:47:53 AM »
Interesting... is exist for 30,75 and extra light gauge for tenor (85-65-45-30) ?

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 08:21:09 AM »
Wolf,
Yes, that is a double-size block to accommodate what was essentially a double bridge and tailpiece combined.  I don't remember how deep the block is, it's a graphite neck channel so who knows what's happening underneath?  And the 4 (funky slotted) bridge mounting screws make it nearly impossible to adjust.  Luckily the action on this bass doesn't move.  This instrument included several experimental ideas so I consider the outcome to have been quite lucky.  Not sure what you're asking about the white part?
 
Adriaan,  
Thanks for the roto-link.  I'm glad to see they're still making them.  And these machine-like ball ends are reusable!
 
Jimmy J

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 10:26:17 AM »
Jimmy , looking at it again the white part seems to be the brass block. perhaps the way the light was on it and the calibration of my monitor made if look white to my eyes at the time. I had thought at fist that maybe there was an experimental bridge pickup there.
 
    Thanks for your reply and best regards .
 
 Wolf

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 11:23:28 AM »
Right, that's just a reflection on the brass.  Here's another shot showing just how tenuous this whole rig is.  The block is NOT very happy acting as a tailpiece, it's trying it's best to pull out of the bass.  These things happen when you go a little nutty with the customizing.  But as I said, in this case I was lucky with the results.  I don't mind the slightly imperfect looks 'cause I love the sound of this bass!
Jimmy J

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2011, 12:00:48 PM »
Jimmy ,  
           Yes I can see what you mean,  but all is well as you say for the sake of Sonic Regards   . I bet this is a sweet sounding Bass !
 
Jerry, I used to use Roto-Sounds ,but have been using Dean Markley Blue Steel  strings for quite a while now . I like the 40-95 2670 set .
 
Wolf

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2011, 12:10:57 PM »
Jimmy -  
 
Coolest bridge EVER...  
 
I like my bird, but this makes wonder if there's an interesting variant of the regular bridge where the tailpiece is cantilevered out over the back (instead of having it's own screws).  Maybe that would be making the bridge screws have too many functions - height adjust and deal with all the attachment force too.
 
I've often wondered about the sound of different sustain block materials - something light like titanium or aluminum, wood, or even something like cast urethane to reduce sustain.  The attack of the bass depends a lot on the string transferring energy into the instrument.  When you have a relatively light string's motion being transferred into a super-heavy bridge, there's a physical impedance mismatch - I think you'll get energy reflected back into the string.  Of course, the pickups are hearing the string, not the body, so maybe that's what you want.  
 
adriaan - When Superwound was around, they actually had a couple of different models.  Some of them had fixed ball ends for a standard Fender or Rick bridge, then there was the adjustable version for other instruments.  The bare core strings are totally awesome on a Rickenbacker, but  many bridges were so gummed up that you couldn't raise the tailpiece enough to make up for the lack of windings.
 
The attraction of PSD strings is that the core wire is less stiff than the wound string would be, so in theory, the intonation should be better.  But I can see on Jimmy's bass that the B string is still pulled all the way back!  Of course, we're kind of looking at (literally) the very first 5-string bass in that picture, so things like the required amount of intonation range probably wasn't quite sorted out yet.
 
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »
I used Superwound strings quite a bit when they were available.  I really liked them.  They were, to me, like a super Rotosound in both tone and longevity.  They came in both a fixed and adjustable ball-end configuration.
 
John