Author Topic: Music MP3's needed asap (Read 202 times)

jazzyvee · « **on:** June 21, 2008, 03:15:12 AM »

Hi guys, i could do with a bit of help. I'm depping for a band tonight and only got the set list on Thursday night. So today I'm trying to find some mp3's of the tracks for the gig later.

if you have any of the following tracks on mp3's I'd be grateful if you could email me the files. if not and you have the scores as a pdf or something that would help too. The rest of the set I think I can get to grips with but I don't know these tracks too well to just busk it.

Chicken - Jaco pastorias
midnight at the oasys
Still in Love - Luther vandross

thanks for your help.
Cheers
Jazzyvee

keith_h · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2008, 05:05:59 AM »

JV,
email sent.

Keith

David Houck · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2008, 08:26:20 AM »

It occurs to me, and I'm not an attorney nor do I study music industry law, that this thread could raise some legal issues. There have been a number of instances where music industry companies have sued individuals and web-related companies for distribution of copyrighted material. And while I do not legally represent Alembic, it would be my guess that Alembic would not want to be seen by such music industry companies or others as a web site that is a host or otherwise provides assistance for the distribution of material in violation of copyright law.

Again, I don't know the law; I'm just writing because it occurred to me that this might be problematic.

I post links to youtube here all the time; and clearly there are unresolved legal issues regarding youtube. I've also posted links for the use of members here to covers that I've performed. Since I don't sell this material and use it for demo purposes only, I'm assuming that's ok. But again, I don't know; there seems to me to be a lot of gray area.

So my guess is that Jazzyvee's request should be interpreted as a request for mp3's of our own personal versions of the tunes he needs to learn for this gig. Again, I'm not a lawyer and I have no idea if this makes a significant difference; I'm just guessing, and I'm just trying to be helpful.

If anyone has a better understanding of the legal issues here, and suggestions for facilitating these type of requests, please post.

Thanks!

Bradley Young · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2008, 09:39:48 AM »

Even though there's probably some murky mix of first sale and fair use that actually covers this case (you are legally entitled to re-sell and/or share your music, but copying is more murky), this would not protect you from being sued.

My suspicion, however is that the MAFIAA (RIAA) is really focused on automated scanning of Peer to Peer file sharing, and even if they happened to find this post, would not be able to prove that any bits traded hands (provided you send over a separate channel).

Dave, just for reference, your own personal version of a song is still covered under copyright, and does not protect you from owing royalties. This is why the copyright holder to Happy Birthday (Good Morning to All) is currently extorting $2 Million dollars per year so that people can sing it publicly.

And, for the record, I think that Copyright and Patents in the United States (and worldwide) are horribly broken, to the point that abolishing both would be better To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts.

Bradley
* bonus points for knowing where the last quote comes from.

jazzyvee · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2008, 10:19:46 AM »

Thanks for your help guys and for lending me the mp3 Will email them back you you when finished so there should be no legal problems ;-)

Jazzyvee

Ps:
I'm sure this is still a murky area of law but the venue here in the UK has a PRS licence so they have to log the music played there and pay a royalty to the Performing Rights Society so the artiste will get paid anyway.

David Houck · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2008, 10:42:55 AM »

Do you get the bonus points if you use the google?

adriaan · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2008, 01:01:43 AM »

Bradley,

Interesting experiment in Italy a couple of years ago - they dropped the annuity taxes on patents. That lasted one year, then patent owners had to visit the local post office for a whole lot of paperwork.

The US PTO is famous for thousands of stacks of pending paperwork, but they are providing and handling more and more information electronically (they're taking the lead from Europe on this). Don't forget that the idea behind patents is both to protect the intellectual property and to publish technological advances, to the benefit of both the patentee and the competition.

Bradley Young · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2008, 05:27:24 PM »

Adriaan,

I understand the benefits of the patent system, and I also understand the negatives:

Huge corporations with patent portfolios stifling innovation

Stupid patent lawsuits

Submarine patents

etc. The list goes on and on.

My opinion is that the patent system no longer benefits the inventor or society. It no longer promotes science and the useful arts.

Abolish it.

But hey, I'm open to having my mind changed.

adriaan · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2008, 01:26:05 AM »

Bradley,

This is my wallet speaking, but I'm all for maintaining the patent system.

In any case, you might use very similar arguments to abolish laws on human rights.

Bradley Young · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2008, 09:57:01 AM »

We agree to disagree, but if you're going to present the straw man, at least stuff him.

adriaan · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2008, 10:59:52 AM »

Bradley,

In the pure interest of this discussion alone, here's some stuffing for the straw man - coming from a EU citizen, so if you'll pardon any misconceptions regarding US legislation ...

US citizens are very proud of the Amendments to the Constitution, which protect the individual from abuses of power. So would you abolish those Amendments because of Guantanamo Bay?

Hm, to say this thread has derailed must be the understatement of the year.

jazzyvee · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2008, 01:02:35 PM »

I think so, interesting the diversion that asking for a couple mp3's created.
Jazzyvee

Bradley Young · « **Reply #12 on:** June 26, 2008, 12:37:54 PM »

Adriaan,

Yes, we've derailed. Gitmo is a severely loaded issue, and frankly not one I will respond further on.

But thanks for a proper straw man. If you don't know what that is, Wikipedia has a fair analysis here, but I'll quote:

quote:A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To set up a straw man or set up a straw man argument is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

The only thing I was arguing was that (in my opinion) the patent and copyright system no longer promotes science and the useful arts (more specifically, the negatives outweigh the positives). The quote I referenced earlier is the specific text from the Constitution giving congress the power to establish a copyright and patent system; my interpretation is that the copyright and patent systems are established for one purpose: to promote science and useful arts. If these systems cannot do that, then congress should not continue them.

The straw man or false analogy is that I wasn't talking about abolishing part of the constitution: I was hoping to fulfill it.

We'll agree to disagree?

Bradley

olieoliver · « **Reply #13 on:** June 26, 2008, 12:49:19 PM »

How did the gig go Jazzyvee?

OO

adriaan · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2008, 12:30:02 AM »

Bradley,

I thought I misrepresented your position rather well.