Author Topic: Gibson Guitars Raided by Feds for Suspected CITES violations (Read 902 times)

hb3 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 30, 2011, 11:29:13 AM »

Peter,

The case United States of America v. Ebony Wood in Various Forms is from the raid that happened two years ago.

Paranoid thought:

Gibson is non-union shop and has supported the RNC/GOP. Compare and contrast to other guitar manufacturers, like Martin.

Is Alembic a union-run shop?

hankster · « **Reply #16 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:09:42 PM »

Yeah, those law enforcers and regulatory agencies are always intervening to help their secret buddies, the trade unionists.

As if.

tubeperson · « **Reply #17 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:24:45 PM »

There is no secret to their Buddies. Just look at what Boeing is going through. They want to create jobs in South Carolina, but the adminstration would rather protect the union and end up seeing those jobs forced abroad instead. Real smart, NOT!

hydrargyrum · « **Reply #18 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:38:50 PM »

I just caught a warning from the mods for suggesting that voters could impact the way environmental laws are enforced. I'd tread lightly here guys.

cozmik_cowboy · « **Reply #19 on:** August 30, 2011, 02:13:10 PM »

We're veering close to politics here, guys, so I'll But speaking historically, except for a brief period under FDR the US government & pretty much all state govts have always been hostile to unions - frequently to the point of bayonets & gunfire, and always with the force of law & the courts. Whether you think that's good or bad, it is undeniable fact.

Peter

hb3 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 30, 2011, 02:28:44 PM »

Peter,

Well, yeah, of course. But how could you say the current administration is hostile to unions? Seems like it's just the opposite...one of the lessons of history is the way sides change, the oppressed becomes the oppressor, etc.

hydrargyrum · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2011, 03:04:10 PM »

Let's not forget that the Lacey Act was signed into law by William McKinley, a Republican!

/Note to all concerned that this post is completely tongue in cheek, and not intended for serious consideration. This in no way reflects my political views (which hold that if aliens cannot be elected to run our government, we should instead create a race of radioactive super vegetables).

hb3 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:10:55 PM »

Interview with Gibson CEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9K8IDGUTrQk

I believe that these guys are out to get us.

chuck · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:46:20 PM »

Just watched the above video, unlicensed guitars??
What if I put it in its case? Will I be charged with concealed carry without a permit.

Chuck

hb3 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:47:53 PM »

That's right...no public performances without your official artistic license.

afrobeat_fool · « **Reply #25 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:05:43 PM »

WELCOME, My radioactive super vegetable overloards. I churn dirt as an expression of my servility!!

If all shops were run like the mothership, there would be no need for the U#1()#$.

Cause everyone(but Bill and a few others) would be busy playing Bass

Nick ;

David Houck · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2011, 07:29:29 PM »

Peter is right, you're venturing way too close to politics. I've just posted a long response to comments in the similar thread in the Misc. section; and I'm too tired to address the comments here or even finish reading them all. While it is understandable that we are concerned about this issue, we are too easily drawn into seeing this as one side against another. It should be obvious that there are historical and current reasons why we need to be concerned about illegal harvesting of wood. And it should also be understandable that regulating the activities of large corporations can be difficult, and that necessary regulation can be burdensome.

I'm going to bed. Please read my comments to the other thread and consider dropping at the very least the political parts of the discussion, subtle and overt, or dropping the discussion altogether.

s_wood · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:42:32 AM »

Dave:

Amen.

I didn't begin this thread intending to start a political discussion. There are plenty of other forums where that is best done. FWIW, I thought the story was interesting because of the interplay between ecology and instrument building. There is a popular notion that, as regards to some tone woods, most of the good stuff is gone. I wonder if that's true?

hydrargyrum · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2011, 08:56:02 AM »

My Grandfather was a carpenter, and he was of the opinion that the quality of lumber had greatly diminished over his lifespan. I'm not sure if this translates to instrument woods. I am happy to say that I have some particularly large blanks of cherry and walnut he left me that I know are well over 150 years old now that date from the good era, and I plan on making use of them someday when finances allow. I definitely won't be taking them out of the country when that happens.

gtrguy · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:30:12 PM »

Too funny, when you consider that we sell assult rifles to third world countries.

Author Topic: Gibson Guitars Raided by Feds for Suspected CITES violations (Read 902 times)

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