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Connecting => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lbpesq on July 19, 2024, 07:21:48 AM
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The Kennedy Center just announced this year’s honorees. Among them: the good old Grateful Dead!
Bill, tgo
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They put on good shows there for honoring the honorees.
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About time! I mean, it's been years since they honored Led Zeppelin, and they sucked.
Peter
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:)
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Was just sitting here pondering the irony;
The Kennedy Center decides to properly honor the Dead, who I hear got the whole namesake from someone honoring the Dead...
~Gregory (who once heard from a recording engineer that everybody sucks to somebody...)
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Zeppelin sucks ????? Wow , that was harsh
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Zeppelin sucks ????? Wow , that was harsh
Their music was nothing but volume and bombast; their lyrics plagiarized or lame. U2 made a hard run at the title, but Zep remains The Most Overrated Band Of All Time.
Bonham was a cheap imitation Moon, Page was nothing more than the 3rd-best guitarist the Yardbirds ever had, and I have always suspected that the reason they processed Plant's voice so heavily was to hide it.
Jones can play a little, I will grant you, but overall, there nothing this side of rap that get my finger on the button faster than LZ.
Peter
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been a little slow around here. not to hijack the thread, but...
Jones can play a little, I will grant you, but overall, there nothing this side of rap that get my finger on the button faster than LZ.
when i was working in the electrical shop, nothing would polarize the prolertariat like LZ coming on the shop radio. to the point where we had to issue an LZ ban. myself, didn't like 'em in the 70's, still don't like 'em now. as i find myself a crusty old geezer wondering how many days i have left on this mortal coil, i still gag a little when stairway to heaven comes on the muzak at the grocery store.
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Robert Plant went to the hospital every three months to get his balls pushed back up so he pretend he was Janis. Here’s the pinnacle contribution to our culture for which LZ can claim any credit.
Bill, tgo
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IMO Zeppelin was a good studio band, in the studio they had the discipline to make some classic records. But, I thought they were a terrible live act, really sloppy tedious wankage with little musical substance, all the worst excesses of the 70s rolled into one package. I give them a huge amount of credit for never touring again after Bonham died, to this day they could still regroup and make a fortune. Interestingly it was Bonnie Raitt who called out both LZ and The Rolling Stones for stealing songs from the old blues artists without crediting or paying them. Page also ripped off Bert Jansch when he stole his arrangement of the traditional song "Black Mountain Slide" for the first LZ album without crediting him. Some dicey karma there for sure.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_(musician (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_(musician))
In defense of only Bassist/ Multi- instrumentalist John Paul Jones from " LZ" who is a highly skilled musically literate musician .I actually like his chops . He ,Phil Lesh & Jack Casady influenced me as a 15 year trumpet player who picked up on the bass guitar to play rock & roll with his guitar playing friends .
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JPJ was not one of my bass influences but otherwise sonicus is spot-on with his assessment of his talents. Someone gave me a copy of his 1999 solo release and the first thing that popped out at me was the unmistakeable sound of an Alembic bass. His album was all instrumental and featured a number of multi-string basses as well as bass lap steel, Electric Mandola, guitars, organ etc. You can clearly hear who was largely responsible for the Zep sound and studio arrangements, it would have not been the same band without him.
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JPJ's talent was as wasted in LZ as Mel Schacher's was in Grand Funk Railroad.
Peter
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Zeppelin sucks ????? Wow , that was harsh
Their music was nothing but volume and bombast; their lyrics plagiarized or lame. U2 made a hard run at the title, but Zep remains The Most Overrated Band Of All Time.
Bonham was a cheap imitation Moon, Page was nothing more than the 3rd-best guitarist the Yardbirds ever had, and I have always suspected that the reason they processed Plant's voice so heavily was to hide it.
Jones can play a little, I will grant you, but overall, there nothing this side of rap that get my finger on the button faster than LZ.
Peter
You don't like rap ??? I'm truly shocked
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You don't like rap ??? I'm truly shocked
That is correct; rap, like punk & grunge, is predicated on the basic philosophy of "How dare you try to deprive me of my natural-born, unassailable right to be a rock star, just because I can neither write, sing, nor play??
Peter
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I loved this when I first heard it over 40 years ago ,and still love it even more in current times. These "Cats" don't get enough credit in my own opinion . Whit , creative genius and trend setting ,creating a genre of artistic self expression all it's own.
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You don't like rap ??? I'm truly shocked
That is correct; rap, like punk & grunge, is predicated on the basic philosophy of "How dare you try to deprive me of my natural-born, unassailable right to be a rock star, just because I can neither write, sing, nor play??
Peter
Have you ever thought about running for office ?
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Music is art.
Music genres are labels for ‘different’ art.
Labels can be considered judgement.
Judgement is often opinionated.
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.
Alembic’s have pretty noses.
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I like the bass line in Ramble on, some hints of Jamerson in parts of that. I like that whole tune in fact, the shifts back and forth from mellow to high energy are great. Zeppelin was part of the matrix of the time.
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Music is art.
Music genres are labels for ‘different’ art.
Labels can be considered judgement.
Judgement is often opinionated.
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.
Alembic’s have pretty noses.
Yes , and remember ---
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It will be interesting to see who plays Dead tunes at the Kennedy honors and what tunes they choose. The Golden Road and St. Stephen would be fun choices :)
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"The Golden Road and St. Stephen would be fun choices :)"
In a past my old band " Dead Guise" we played those tunes .We did most of the entire " Live Dead Album",at an outdoor festival gig for thousands of folks. That was so much fun ! We included " The Eleven" of course !
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If we're voting on a setlist for the honors, put me down for Althea, and Black Muddy River. And if they have time, West L.A. Fadeaway.
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"The Golden Road and St. Stephen would be fun choices :) "
In a past my old band " Dead Guise" we played those tunes .We did most of the entire " Live Dead Album",at an outdoor festival gig for thousands of folks. That was so much fun ! We included " The Eleven" of course !
That’s cool, Sonicus, one of my favorite albums 😊
It would be cool if they got a group like the Kronos Quartet to do a brief version of Dark Star 😎
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And Vijay Iyer to play King Solomon’s Marbles, which he did a nice version on a compilation album a few years ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=vijay+iyer+king+solomon%27s+marbles+grateful+dead&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f15657f4,vid:v6s-ERG3R_A,st:0 (https://www.google.com/search?q=vijay+iyer+king+solomon%27s+marbles+grateful+dead&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f15657f4,vid:v6s-ERG3R_A,st:0)
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If we're voting on a setlist for the honors, put me down for Althea, and Black Muddy River. And if they have time, West L.A. Fadeaway.
Dark Star - all those other songs can be incorporated within it. ;)
"Dark Star is always playing somewhere. All we do is tap into it."
I've seen this quote attributed to Jerry (or maybe heard him say it on a radio program). Does anyone have a citation for it?
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If we're voting on a setlist for the honors, put me down for Althea, and Black Muddy River. And if they have time, West L.A. Fadeaway.
Dark Star - all those other songs can be incorporated within it. ;)
"Dark Star is always playing somewhere. All we do is tap into it."
I've seen this quote attributed to Jerry (or maybe heard him say it on a radio program). Does anyone have a citation for it?
It was in an interview with Charles Reich; I saw it in his & Jann Wenner's book Garcia: A Signpost To New Space.
Peter (whose main hope for the awards ceremony is that John Mayer won't be there...and that Jimmy Herring & Joan Osborne will)
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Rap is an art form, but it is rhythmic poetry, not music.
Bill, tgo
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Alligator would bea cool choice too 😎🎶🎶
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I predict that (besides, of course & alas, "Touch Of Grey") it will heavy on Workingman's Dead and American Beauty.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Peter (who's kinda hoping for "Dupree's Diamond Blues", followed by a full "Terrapin Station Suite".....)
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If we're voting on a setlist for the honors, put me down for Althea, and Black Muddy River. And if they have time, West L.A. Fadeaway.
Dark Star - all those other songs can be incorporated within it. ;)
"Dark Star is always playing somewhere. All we do is tap into it."
I've seen this quote attributed to Jerry (or maybe heard him say it on a radio program). Does anyone have a citation for it?
It was in an interview with Charles Reich; I saw it in his & Jann Wenner's book Garcia: A Signpost To New Space.
Peter (whose main hope for the awards ceremony is that John Mayer won't be there...and that Jimmy Herring & Joan Osborne will)
Just heard Jimmy has Stage I Tonsil Cancer. Beginning treatment immediately and Wide Spread Panic is cancelling shows. Healing thoughts for Mr. Herring. Glad they caught it early.
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If we're voting on a setlist for the honors, put me down for Althea, and Black Muddy River. And if they have time, West L.A. Fadeaway.
Dark Star - all those other songs can be incorporated within it. ;)
"Dark Star is always playing somewhere. All we do is tap into it."
I've seen this quote attributed to Jerry (or maybe heard him say it on a radio program). Does anyone have a citation for it?
It was in an interview with Charles Reich; I saw it in his & Jann Wenner's book Garcia: A Signpost To New Space.
Peter (whose main hope for the awards ceremony is that John Mayer won't be there...and that Jimmy Herring & Joan Osborne will)
Just heard Jimmy has Stage I Tonsil Cancer. Beginning treatment immediately and Wide Spread Panic is cancelling shows. Healing thoughts for Mr. Herring. Glad they caught it early.
Well, crap.
Peter
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About 20 years ago ,I was delighted to have the opportunity to study this academic analysis of "DARK STAR", as performed on the "Live Dead" album version . The staff notation greatly enhanced my insight of this timeless masterpiece.
http://www.lipscomb.umn.edu/rock/docs/Boone1997_GratefulDead.pdf (http://www.lipscomb.umn.edu/rock/docs/Boone1997_GratefulDead.pdf)
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Wow, that's going to take longer to read than the music lasts! (That is a good thing - a testament to the depth of this music that is so easy to experience, so subtle to understand fully.)
Thanks for the link to that paper. Live/Dead was very influential in my early growth as a bass player.
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Songdog You are very welcome .
The subtle aspect in playing it with graphic examples of various important motifs-riffs were noteworthy .I as well was influenced by the Live/Dead album in my early growth a bassist .Dark Star was essential in developing fluidity and muscle memory of the fingerboard resulting in my feeling of expressive freedom .
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And Vijay Iyer to play King Solomon’s Marbles, which he did a nice version on a compilation album a few years ago
Thanks; I hadn't heard this before.
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From the new _Grateful Dead Bulletin_:
"The Grateful Dead has always been about community, creativity, and exploration in music and presentation. We've always felt that the music we make embodies and imparts something beyond the notes and phrases being played - and that is something we are privileged to share with all who are drawn to what we do - so it also must be said that our music belongs as much to our fans, the Dead Heads, as it does to us. This honor, then, is as much theirs as ours."
- Mickey, Bill, Phil, & Bob
Peter
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And, just to ice the cake, also being honored is the sublime Ms. Bonnie Raitt. Somewhere, Brother Paul is smiling as much as i am!
Peter
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Personally, I think it would be great if the performance focused on songs no one even knew the GD wrote and performed to create a "What the f...." experience (e.g., Liberty, If I Had The World To Give, Mission In The Rain; Heaven Help The Fool, and of course, The Eleven, etc.)
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I suspect they won’t be playing “Casey Jones”! As the Cozmic one previously predicted, I imagine the 1970 twins, American Beauty and Workingman’s Dead, will be well represented.
Bill, tgo
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wow...I love Zeppelin, and a couple of their albums would make it onto my " trapped on a desert island for life. what would you take with you ? " list, and it is safe to that the first LZ album is what turned me onto bass.
All the other stuff, accusations of plagiarism, etc..is between them and the people that are accusing them of it.. I don't care about that stuff.
What intrigues me is that I read somewhere that JPJ had trouble remembering chord changes and would often have cheat sheets laying around on stage to help him remember tunes..
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Gregory, No, no, no, no, no. Don't let Peter hijack the thread again. :D This about The Dead and their well deserved honor.
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That will probably have someone play Truckin’ for the classic line, but Ship of Fools would be a nice slow tune to mix in, one of my favorite tunes 😊
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Ripple
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Friend of the Devil has been a longtime favorite of mine.
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Ripple! So simple and so deep..
Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow