What do I need to do if my neck moves on a gig?

Started by jazzyvee, September 05, 2026, 05:43:15 PM

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jazzyvee

Tonight I did sound check and day was warm, outdoor gig under cover, not hot and sunny, the stage was in the shade. Soundcheck the bass was fine. 
Come the evening about 4 hrs after the temperature had dropped to the point of audience needing jackets. About 1/ way through the first set the strings started to choke/buzz on all strings between about 3rd fret and 9th. We had a short interval and I was trying to to think about what would I need to change quickly so that I could continue the second set without fret buzz, then sort out properly when I reach home.
 In the end time was running out so I took a chance and raised the bridge which got me through but not completely buzz free.

What is the right thing to do in this instance just to get me through the gig?
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Nova Constellatio

I'd hazard loosening the truss rod a bit, then raising the bridge a little if I had a few minutes.

edwardofhuncote

Usually a very small adjustment will correct that condition. I can't say I've ever had to adjustment my truss-rods between soundcheck and a set but I believe it could be done on a 10-min break. It may take longer for the full effect to be experienced. 

One of the things my obsessive-compulsive 'fixing' personality does is causes me to keep a full set of tools at hand everywhere. I don't know if all that is really necessary, but a couple little screwdrivers, the correct allen wrenches plus the truss-rod wrench stay in all my cases. Just for emergencies like this. 

JimmyJ

Jazzyvee,

That is really irritating when that happens!  But your only choices are to quickly loosen the truss rod or raise the bridge.  In the short amount of time you had I think you came up with a good solution.  I probably would have gone for the truss rod adjustment because I consider that a "softer" fix than raising the bridge.  I'd loosen the rods and then tug on the neck to try to "seat" it a bit.  But in an emergency you gotta do what you gotta do.

As ed.of.h. says, you absolutely must carry a small tool kit with the proper allen wrenches and screwdrivers.  Mine includes spare pointy knobs because I've gone through a few of those on the pickup selector which gets moved a million times per gig.

I remember seeing a video of Jaco adjusting his truss rod during a live performance.  He grabs a big flat screwdriver to twist his bolt-on fender neck, mid-solo.  8)

Jimmy J

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both my fretlessessess are environmentally temperamental and make quite sensitive hygrometers.  the 5-string essence is particularly troublesome in this regard.  the fretteds not so much but they do act up occasionally. i always have a full set of service tools in my gig bag but by the time i notice something's gone wonky with a bass it's usually after sound check and right before we start the 1st set.  i'm not a fan of jacking with my equipment on stage, so i always have a reliable backup in the wings.  in this case it's a status graphite 5-string headless.  the neck never budges even with extreme temperature/humidity changes. it hardly ever goes outta tune. it doubles as my rehearsal bass and so i always know it's ready to go.  i can do the whole show with it if i hafta.  doesn't sound or play like an alembic (not even close).  but it's always rock-solid.  saves me a lotta anxiety at a gig.  HTH
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StephenR

Quote from: JimmyJ on September 06, 2026, 09:37:42 AMAs ed.of.h. says, you absolutely must carry a small tool kit with the proper allen wrenches and screwdrivers.  Mine includes spare pointy knobs because I've gone through a few of those on the pickup selector which gets moved a million times per gig.

I always keep the tools needed for my Alembics with me on gigs and they are isolated to a smaller zippered case to keep them separate from tools needed to adjust my Modulus or Gould basses.

For sudden weather related fret buzz on a gig I would also probably loosen the truss-rod quickly assuming there is time. Mid-set would be challenging, though.

I don't keep extra pointy knobs with me but I would suggest checking all the set screws on the knobs before a gig. I normally do not use the pickup selector on my Series basses just leave it set to both pickups. Since I carry my own DI my rig is set up so I can quickly mute the signal from my DI to both FOH and my amp. To be honest I also do not care much for the pointy knob on the pickup selector so easy for me to avoid. For some reason the first night at the GAMH recently I decided to use the pickup selector to mute the bass between sets.  All went well until we started the last set and I realized my bass sounded really muddy in my IEMs. Near the end of the set I muted for the drum solo and when I went to use the pickup selector after the solo it was loose and fell off. Luckily the bridge pickup was on since trying to move the tiny shaft barehanded felt impossible. There was no time, or space, to pull out my allen key and re-attach the pickup selector. Thankfully I was able to engage one pickup and play the last two songs in the set. The selector itself worked fine the next night after the knob was re-attached.  But, I am back to just keeping both pickups on and using the volume controls. And, I plan to be much more vigilant about checking the set screws on all my knobs.

David Houck

Quote from: jazzyvee on September 05, 2026, 05:43:15 PM... Soundcheck the bass was fine ... Come the evening about 4 hrs after .. the strings started to choke/buzz on all strings between about 3rd fret and 9th.

Probably a significant change in humidity.  The wood absorbs some of the increased moisture in the air, and, as it does, the wood in the neck expands.  So yes, as others have said, loosening the truss rods and letting the strings pull the neck back some is what you want to do, if you have the opportunity.

Quote from: JimmyJ on September 06, 2026, 09:37:42 AMI remember seeing a video of Jaco adjusting his truss rod during a live performance.  He grabs a big flat screwdriver to twist his bolt-on fender neck, mid-solo.  8)

Jimmy J


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Would a freshly oiled fingerboard absorb / release humidity slower?
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jazzyvee

Is it only the fingerboard that would absorb moisture and expand or is the finish on the instrument, such as the back of the neck permeable to moisture also to some degree?
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edwardofhuncote

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Keeping a fingerboard properly oiled is a good practice as a matter of regular maintenance but ebony is a stable, dry wood with very small pores. It expands and contracts at a much different rate than the wood its glued to. So not much difference. It's the neck beam that is microscopically shrinking or growing. As it absorbs moisture it expands. As the moisture releases it shrinks. It's hard to imagine this happening in such a short time but it does. Let's say your action is perfect. There's 0.005 of clearance in the middle of the scale, or whatever you're running there. Okay, that isn't a lot of wiggle room... it's a couple thousandths away from a rattle, but it's just right. Something happens to change that... and now your clearance is half that or conversely, half again higher. I think some necks are just a moving target. Doesn't mean they're bad, or unstable. It's just wood being wood. I know guys that leave their truss-rod covers off because they check and adjust relief so often. (mostly banjo players) 🙄🤫

Bass guitars I think are sometimes more temperamental. Maybe because of the span? I have one, a Gibson, that goes completely bonkers at anything below 45%. The neck bows up like a ski, and the action becomes unplayably high. It's a mahogany set-neck, not that the second part matters. I do think the mahogany is more prone to accept and release its moisture content. In fact, I know it. What I can't accept or understand is why doesn't the finish interupt this? A 1/4-turn on the truss-rod will correct it. Or... put it in the case with a humidifier box. What's surprising is, if I go with the direct application of humidity option, then get it out to play, within the space of two hours, it's sprung forward to an uncomfortable action. So the smart play is to adjust the truss-rod twice (or as-needed) per year if I want to play that bass. This drastic of a change is just strange to me... my brain says it should not be, yet it is. I've had the bass since 2013... it's always been like that. I'd go insane if it was my main, or only instrument. It's manageable as a fun player in season.

My Persuader 5-string never, ever requires adjustment. That bass is the definition of "set it and forget it". I had a Distillate the same way. My Custom fretless still moves a little. A little twist of the wrench is a small price.

jazzyvee

Thanks for this Greg, thus far i think the only two that have moved enough to rattle are this bass and my old bocate europa (that happened when i was playing in a band on a caribbean cruise), which resolved by raising the nut.
The short scales have been fine, the ebony laminated necks have been fine and my all maple europa has required me to raise the nut some years back.

As for current bass issue I hope to get the bridge back to where it was this weekend.
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