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dela217

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2003, 11:49:57 AM »
I know it is hard to tell, but I am thinking it started out as an Alembic bass, but has had a hard and cruel life.

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2003, 12:12:17 PM »
could be an employee project...maybe? truss rod cover seems odd.

slam630

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2003, 01:25:58 PM »
There are a lot of things about this bass that seem odd.  Are there a lot of employee project Alembics out there?

dela217

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2003, 04:16:10 PM »
Well, this bass shouldn't be serial number 74-64 since that is a short scale bass.  Maybe it is 74-164?
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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2003, 05:20:23 PM »
The pickups and electronics are newer than the bass (part of the electronics are from 1985). It's hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like the swithcs are not our typical switches, and it doesn't look like Signature electronics to me since there is only one preamp in the bass.  
 
Is the large pot a master volume or a pan? I'll guess the two pots on the left side of the photo are volume for each pickup (note the pickup leads are plugged in there).  
 
The switches aren't for Q since these look like they aren't connected to the filter module (the one with the trimpot). Are these on/off for the pickups?
 
The wiring in general also looks a bit messier than I'm used to seeing on our instruments. I'm also not aware of any instruments we made with a 3-pin output.  
 
The switch cover on the lower horn doesn't appear to have a hole under it. The nothes in the bridge are also unusual. The tailpiece is unlike any I've ever seen.
 
Many things about the bass say Alembic, but there are things that don't quite add up, most notably the lack of a logo or its evidence and the weird  serial number. If the guitar is an early 70's model Alembic, the electronics were absolutely replaced.
 
Regarding the peghead repair, do those dowels on the front go all the way through to to back? Bone nut is not unheard of, but I'd call it rare as original equipment on an Alembic.  
 
There's an unknown number of employee project instruments out there. If this was an employee project, it looks like it was started in 1974 and finished in 1985.  
 
As I work on the great big database of Alembics, we may be able to track down and see if any records match what we see on this bass, but that query is many months away.  
 
About the serial number. I can't map the (6)10(4)6-4 to our serial number format. Are there any numbers stamped on the other side of the point on the peghead?
 
It will be interesting to find out what the history behind this bass is. With Columbo (dela) on the case, and the rest of us Alembic hounds, if it's a solvable mystery, we'll figure it out.

slam630

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2003, 09:27:47 PM »
The large pot is master volume.
 
The switches are on/off for each pickup.
 
The switch cover hole is there and connects to the control cavity.  
 
The dowels in the front go all the way through.
 
What would the nut material typically be?  IMHO it seems to be a replacement nut.
 
There is a 4 on the other side of the headstock.  There seems to be a very faint 7 in front of the 4 but I'm not sure.
 
I just got back from my first time playing this bass with a band.  Everyone loved it.  Very nice thick tone.

dela217

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2003, 12:09:47 PM »
As someone who used to work for Alembic once said : Tone is trump.
 
If you like the bass, plays and sounds great, then there you go.
 
A few other things though - I once owned an Alembic that also had a bone nut, that is why I did not comment on it.  It could be correct for that bass.  I thought that there was a time that Alembic used bone nuts only on fretless basses. I notice that there are no inlays on that bass.  Could it have one time been fretless?  Hmm. If the bass is in fact a 1974 then the serial number could be 164. But number 164 should have been made in 1975. I would have had a hum cancellor mounted between the two pickups. I would bet that the battery cavity is the same size as the cavity for a hum canceller.  But if that bass had a hum canceller installed inside the body, it would have been mounted in a cavity under the tailpiece.  Is there a cavity visible under the tailpiece from inside the bass?  Also is there another brass plate on the rear of the bass near the control cavity.  The pictures don't show the full rear.  On the basses with the hum canceller on the face of the instrument, the batteries were mounted on the rear.  Also, if the bass had a serial number of 1064 as the larger numbers show, that would put the bass as being a 1978 instrument and not a 1974.

dela217

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2003, 12:12:22 PM »
By the way I also have a 1974 Alembic that has a control cavity plate with 5 screws holding it in place.  But there are 10 holes!  

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2003, 05:20:39 PM »
Hi guys, new here in the forum, but I've played Alembics for a long time.
 
May I just take the opportunity to say, what is up with that tailpiece? - it looks like it was hand hammered or something (the horn switch cover looks sort of similar too).
 
It also reminds me of some of the rough gold nugget type of jewelry I've seen before, and actually, the more I look at it, the more I sort of like that textured effect. I've never seen brass develop pits like that, so I have to assume it was intentional.

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2003, 07:40:45 PM »
Welcome to the club scrub! HHmmm, that sounded kinda funny....
 
The tail piece looks as if it was peined to look like wrought iron. I also have to agree with dela. If it sounds good and feels good.......
 
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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2003, 08:18:12 PM »
Scrub - I think the hammered effect you are talking about on that tailpiece could be correct.  I have some early Alembics from this era with the same hammered features.  Hammered backplates, hammered battery plates, even that little brass plate that the selector switch mounts to - hammered.  What strikes me as strange is the shape of the tailpiece.  I have not seen another quite like it.
 
I agree, I think it is a nice textured effect.  I would say that it is definately intentional on this bass too.

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2003, 08:30:59 PM »
Scrub - Check out this picture of the back of one of my basses.  
 

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2003, 09:51:39 PM »
elzie: Thanks for the welcome! Glad to be here!
 
dela: Ya, that's definately some peen bashing there on that backplate. None of mine ever had anything like that, I've never seen it before.
 
I know whatcha mean about the shape of that tailpiece. I think it sorta looks like a pre-historic Flintstones version of the current tailpiece design.

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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2003, 10:06:57 PM »
Close up of tailpiece

  Switch plate also has hammer marks


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Re: Unknown Alembic
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2003, 10:18:40 PM »
There is not an extra plate on the rear of the bass.  I looked in the cavity for the hum canceller but didnt see it.  
 
I thought about the possibility of it being fretless at one point.  From the looks of the fretwork I would not be surprised.  The fret slots look a little funny.  Almost like the slot extends deeper than the fret itself.