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« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2013, 09:56:36 AM »
Funny path this thread has taken but I'm enjoying the ride...  
Here's my crude, slightly unwieldy, slightly slippery on a smooth stage, combo-cable.  (Strap-locks on both ends, one for the rack and one for the extra button on the bass.)  I also prefer hardwired in-ears for fidelity, and I'm gonna plug the bass in anyway so...
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« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2013, 10:03:14 AM »
Jimmy,
 
You have an extra straplock pin/receiver on your bass, or you connect that to the strap somehow?
 
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« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2013, 10:16:47 AM »
Nice setup, Jimmy! What do you use for an in ear amp?
 
If I'm doing my own ear mix, I use the headphone output of a Metric Halo ULN-8, if not, a Grace M902.

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« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2013, 12:48:43 PM »
the wandering thread... apologies to the OP Alain... Yes Bradley, two strap buttons, strap to the lower one and cable to the upper.  See below.  (excuse the lo-res pics) Edwin, I've been using an older model "Cosmic" headphone amp made by Headroom which has a processing effect that I dig.  Below is a shot of my main road rig, home-made psu, Korg black tuner, home-made 5-pin box with mute switch, REDDI, cosmic amp, home-made iso transformer inputs for the Cosmic... Now you know all my tricks!!  I could make better pics but another day, another thread. Cheers! Jimmy J




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« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2013, 03:58:29 PM »
Joey, there are several important questions on your text to consider.
 
You can't expect that your soloed tone will sound the same when mixed to the whole Band. We can't listen to instruments, just the frequencies they produce. So, in a band situation, we must choose which ones are really important to our tone's understanding and which should be attenuated to take it away from others toes.  
 
We can't use full spectrum without messing with other voices in a Band. We all occupy most of the mid hearing spectra, and the very same frequencies are disputed by every voice in the mix (including the main melodic voice that usualy is the front and main voice to be preserved... and rarely is the Bass).
 
So, if we want to hear everyone, we have to give up the idea of having our whole tone being pushed forward, because we have to open spaces to others. Mixing is selecting which frequencies we'll keep and which will be discarded.  
 
If didn't, when some instrument that shares the same frequency with you got lifted up, that same frequency will be missed on your Bass. If it matters to enhance its comprehensibility, you will be drawn to mud and vanish from mix unless you pump up your volume (but that would mean that this other Instrument will be missed and we can't take that as a fader war).
 
So, never expect to hear your tone in a mix so full and whole as you are used when alone in a room. If you will play in a band context, your Bass must sound good in the mix, and  this probably means that it will sound odd alone.
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« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2013, 03:59:44 PM »
When you quote Joe Osborn preferring the studio enviroment, we must know that a studio have acoustics and monitors that intend to be transparent. The goal is to let the monitors being faithfull to any incoming signal. All its acoustic is designed to not interfere on what monitors are producing. So, any adjustments you make on your tone should be truly translated to tape, disk and monitors.
 
If you feed the desk direct, all you can do is turn knobs on your bass to get the tone. If you use an amp you can choose send the signal after Eq and benefit from your amp's Eq stage (preamp). If you are miking its Cab, you can get its particular tone and all room's reinforcements (since each rooms enhance differents frequencies being produced in it). Anyway you opt, you can rely that monitors will truly reproduce what is being recorded.  
 
If you are used to this practice is easy to know how much of your Tone came from Bass, from Amp, from Cab and Room. But really important should be being aware on how the Bass alone really sounds like, because most of us just know how our Basses sound in a particular room, trough a particular chain of gear, and they all lie in a sense. Amps uses to enhance lows and a Cab can sound really different if it is at floor level (mid scooped), lifted up (open sounding) or near a corner (more fatty). So, listening to your tone through an Amp is like trying to evaluate colors using a colored lens eyeglass.
 
Now, lets think about live shows...
 
You have amp and cab, or wedge monitors, it doesn't matter. All that you have to guide you is a unique reference at a particular spot at stage that has nothing to do on how FOH will reproduce tones and how the entire room will reacts to them. Even before turning up your amp, you are probably already sending a DI to FOH system, so you can expect your bass sounding muddy and bassy at stage, just for start.
 
That happens because lows are omnidirectional and can spread behind FOH as strongly as it spreads ahead. Highs on other hand are very directional and simply can't be heard behind FOH as it would be heard by audience. So, all we have are this overwhelming lows...
 
If you don't have any monitoring, you probably will cut lows and enhance highs on Bass. But if you send this to FOH with its shiny tweeters, people at audience will hear the ugliest bass tone ever. If your tone at home or any small venue is bass+amp+cab, in a live situation it is bass+desk's channel stripe+FOH (assuming that sound man sooner had solved acoustics issues at this specific ambient).
 
If you use any bass shy monitor system (as most wedges are), you must be aware to not try compensate its lack of lows. Most of time, the FOH's low leakage will match that bright sounding monitor, but even then is a risk assume that you hear what people are listening. The best bet would be make all adjustments from audience perspective first, using the help of a Series incredible Eq capabilities and/or desk Eq, and just them move to the stage to try to get a decent tone where you'll be during show.
 
There you can adjust your amp tone to compensate how the room is feeding you at that spot or ask sound man to equalize your monitor send. But keep in mind that not every venue has gear enough to equalize your wedge and you can't tweak onboard preamp to improve how the wedge or amp is sounding on stage without messing with your tone to audicence.
 
That is when having an Amp on stage is usefull. Since it can get over FOH leakage, you can always tweak its adjustments to perfect your tone at stage without interfering on our direct signal sent to FOH. Remember that much of our effort during sound passage will be missed when people occupy all seats, so new adjustments are needed during the performance and is helpfull not depending on sound crew to solve monitoring issues quickly and satisfyingly (they will be concerned on how sound is coming to audience first, then they will care about the singer needs and is better not bet when they will care on the bass...).
 
ps.: Sorry for long post and hope that you can understand my lousy english (everytime I feel writing as a child tryng to express myself as a grown up)
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« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2013, 04:01:32 PM »
Jimmy:
 
Said effect being the crossfeed? Where it puts a certain amount of the opposite speaker into each side on a delay (and with eq?).
 
No need to upgrade and all that, but the newer models still have that.
 
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« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2013, 04:41:49 PM »
The question here is Do I really know how my Tone is or I just know how it sounds through my gear, in my room?  
 
My current goal is to learn and memorize how my Bass sounds alone. I try to keep on mind how it sounded on studios and always try to get the tone on bass solely first. I also try to hear how it sounds recorded in system that I am used to, like on my cheap sound system at home (since, after years hearing music on it, I have learned which eq settings recorded music sounds better there).
 
Now, I don't adjust my amp to sound good. First I adjust it to sound as my bass should sound if I was in a studio. That would be the settings that compensates any room contribution and would guarantee that my direct signal should sound at least close at FOH. Just then I start to reach tones, tweaking on Bass now.
 
As I don't trust entirely on sound crew, I will try to hear it from audience perspective (even if I must ask for a fellow band buddy to play it to me). If it sounds true, Ok. If doesn't I will ask for the sound guy to came to stage to hear how the Amp is now sounding (without the FOH)*. If he gets there (and it is his task to achieve that), you will be amazed how clear your tone will sound on stage (with the help of the amp/monitor corret tailored to sound transparent). That way, any changes I made on the Bass should be as trully to me as to audience.  
 
Just then, I will fine adjust my tone on Amp to compensate any bass leakage from FOH or differences when the house got crowded.
 
* Many sound guys are so used to work on Fenders and Fender likes basses that they automatically go for certain eq curves that not always benefit Alembic tone. Good professionals hear how it sounds and make the corrections. Bad professionals simply repeat the old fender formula, that is why the PBass guy sounded better, he goes fine by preset (but not always, a bad sound guy can really ruin everything).
 
Giving up Amps on stage doesn't solve that issue, we must teach them that there are other tones around. A smart sound man knows that he must uses his ears, not his book of recipes. But if we want to have him trusting on us and the direct signal we send, we can't send a weird scooped sound that only sound good on stage and on our amp (since it may be just compensating room's acoustics problems and gear limitations, as many musicians simply are not aware on all that afore mentioned issues). If the guy is really a pro, his job is to reproduce our tone as we gave it to him and just eventualy compensating room acoustics and other voices needs at the mix. So that direct signal must be at least close to what we want... Don't rely much on your monitor/amp as tone generator because it can't be sent to FOH. All it will be doing is compensating the room and a close microphone will not get it as you expect (because it will be closer to speakers and away from room inluence).
 
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« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2013, 05:17:28 PM »
I don't have a Serie, so I don't have much eq settings to play with. But nowadays I tend to just ask for some lo-mid scoop (center between 250Hz~400Hz and high Q, just depending on how room modes enhance lows to choose which sounds better) and nothing more. If I want pump highs, I will flip my hi switch. If I want less, cut it or change the filter. If I want a mid bump, go for the Q on and move the filter up or down. If I want change the lows, I use the propper switch. If I want to change overall mid character, I change PUs balance.
 
Alembic's electronics, even on my Rogue, are very flexible. I just have to compensate changes in loudness with my main volume out to avoid clipping on desk input. If wasn't for my need to scoop out lo-mids (that sounds good alone but tend to sound baffled among other more higher pitched sources in a full mix), I would do everything on Bass solely. But since that scooping relates to how rooms behaviour, is good to let it to the desk - to help audience to get it right - and to the amp - to help me hear myself on stage.
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« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2013, 05:22:29 PM »
there is a recent thread more related to monotoring, doesn't?.... sorry for hijack
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« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2013, 11:03:17 PM »
Mario, I appreciate the time you took to respond to all this.  But I'm done.  I don't play out any more, so this is all just unfortunate memory, and hats off to all you guys who've found a way to make it work for your own situations.  I never did . . . .
 
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« Reply #71 on: June 08, 2013, 09:21:54 AM »
I see, but I really went into all this because that complain is so frequent among fellow bass players, that I thought discuss acoustics could be helpfull for more people, too.
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« Reply #72 on: June 08, 2013, 06:02:07 PM »
Edwin, regarding the BigE stuff, I got the impression he was just a local builder experimenting with designs so surely the cabinet I saw/heard was pre-production.  Still, I was not impressed.
 
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« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2013, 03:17:33 PM »
Jimmy,
I think I'm going to try your cable-strap idea...I keep getting tangled inbetween the Series cable and the IEM cable!
Also to another point about Alembic fidelity, I have gotten rid of my on-stage amp completely. We have a really nice, tri-amped JBL system, and so I just run direct. Since we are a 3-piece band, everthing is either mic'd or direct, so in essence it sounds like a big stereo system. No wedges, just IEM's (Futuresonics), and I can hear everything crystal clear. I do occasionally get a comment from our guitarist that he would like some dirt on my sound, but I love the clarity.
Oh, and by the way....I replaced the batteries in my Series II at about 1-1/2 years, just used them during rehearsal situations-5 pin cable for all else.
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« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2013, 04:20:30 PM »
Michael,
 
The only problems with this nylon-sleeved combo cable are:  
A)  it's kinda big
B)  it's not very flexible
C)  it can be slippery on a smooth stage
D)  the nylon webbing can catch and tear so you'll need to rebuild it now and then...
 
All that said I still feel it's easier than dragging two cables around.  Ideally there might be some kind of single (what, 7-conductor?) rubber jacketed snake cable that that could break out at the ends...  But then we might have crosstalk issues and who knows what else.  So for now I'm sticking with my home-made clunky approach.  Ha!
 
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