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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2004, 01:34:23 AM »
Bill
 
Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the pointed tail on the Body.
 
Rory

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2004, 08:00:32 AM »
Cool.  Maybe I'm not understanding the base body style, too.  Is it the small standard (Stanley Clark-type) style or the large standard that would normally have either a point or omega cut at the bottom?  If the latter, are you going to have some kind of Omega cut?
 
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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2004, 10:16:30 AM »
Bill
 
Maybe you can help me out here I'm at that point of indecission and could use a little help. I am going with the large standard body and my thought was to have no point, no cut of any type but now I seem to lean towards the Omega cut like yours. What is a guy to do? Did you have simalar thoughts when designing your bass or did you know exactly what you wanted? What are your thoughts? Do you think the clean bottom would look to odd on the large body? Give me some feedback, I need help. I was trying to not have my instrument look like everyone elses without going totally custom but now I don't know. Well this is my situation. Since you are now a Senior Member, (code word, Jedi Master), I am looking to you for guidance. Show me the way of the Jedi so that I too can master the force! I think it maybe a little to early in the morning for me, better go have coffee!
 
Thanks in advance for your support,
Rory

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2004, 06:03:01 PM »
Rory:  I hope others will weigh in with their artistic suggestions, but here's the progression I went through.
 
Yeah - I knew what I wanted.  It was just that what I wanted changed several times and wound up being something I originally had thought I didn't want.  I knew I wanted a neck-through and liked the idea of Signature or Anniversary electronics.  That kind of pushed me into a Signature design.
 
First, let me say I always considered some kind of omega cut.  Second, I did want something that looked like a traditional Alembic (That ruled out Rogues and Europas).  However, I was not too keen on the large standard body - just too big, I guess.  My first design iteration was a 3/4 size body with an omega cut (but not a perfectly round omega - more like a squashed or oval cut). I thought the heart omega cuts were just a little too fancy - while I preferred a cleaner look.
 
Then for a while, I became captivated with a small standard (Stanley Clark style) with an omega cut.  I still think the omega version is the prettiest way to do a small standard. I was troubled, though because the small standard develops balance problems if you put a medium scale neck on it, particularly if 5 string (as I was considering at the time).  I drew a lot of reshaped small standards, elongating the top horn.  Actually, some looked pretty cool. But when Mica explained the mechanics of ensuring good balance (essentially the horn needed to be elongated more than I like on the small standard), AND she Emailed me a picture of a prototype of the K-style body - I was off the small standard idea permanently (for this bass anyway).  
 
The trouble was that I just couldn't settle on the prototype K shape.  The upper horn was fatter and it was not as graceful as the ones Kevin and I have had built.  For a brief period, I considered seriously just going for a large standard with an omega cut.  However, when some early design drawings for Kevin's new bass were posted, the shape had changed not too radically, but it had gone from ho hum to Va-va-voom.  Everyone seemed to agree with that assessment, too.  
 
What I realized was that by considering these different approaches over a period of 2-3 months, I had really learned the Alembic body styles.
 
Once I had settled on the 3/4 K-style omega body, I called and spoke to Val about wood.  I had been struggling with choosing between Superb Walnut (less like the norm, I felt) and Coco Bolo (a beautiful and classic look).  Val is a coco bolo fan.  He suggested going with coco for its sound qualities and basically, because I had to agree I couldn't go wrong.  I decided to go with a dark, but still contrasty coco bolo, rather than a brighter, oranger one.  I still may buy a walnut Alembic before they carry me out...
 
Susan and I talked about electronics and between a little arm twisting on her part (with no resistance on mine) and some superior deal making by Beaver Felton (Bass Central), I upgraded to S2 electronics.  The addition of the heart omega was an afterthought, but one I'm glad I did.  I found I added more fancy touches (abalone ovals, inlaid logo, omega heart) after my bass was already beginning construction.  I guess once I was settle on the big elements, adding pretty touches was very easy.
 
Sorry for the book.  My two cents on your body style question - I've seen pix of large standards and balance standards with plain bottoms.  They've looked kind of, well, plain, to me.  Sort of too simple.  I hope others will comment, because it was helpful to me getting feedback and reading discussions about others' basses.  
 
Don't worry too much though - you'll love what you decide on.  Don't be afraid to delay a bit, though to give yourself a chance to get used to an idea.
 
Bill

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2004, 09:23:36 PM »
hi rory & bill
 
like many alembic owners, i, too, spent a good bit of time finding the 'right' body shape.  i wanted my first alembic to be relatively simple (whence the 'simple bass'), with a smallish body.  i started with an essence, with just a few standard options, but i didn't want the standard k-body shape.  initially i wanted a small-standard body with an 'old-style' point, which is more softly carved than the standard point of today.  then i changed my mind to a 'stinger point', an elongated point slender enough that the end of it would be ebony only, shaped from the center ebony neck laminate, with no mahogany showing
 
then one night i was browsing the showcase threads and i found the shape i REALLY wanted:  the bass edwin van huik had made for his baby daughter tania.  it's basically a mini version (22-inch scale!) of a small standard with a slightly elongated upper horn for balance and a version of the EvH bottom:  a shallow double-scallop cut they call the 'baby's butt', for at least a couple of reasons
 
i asked mica if the 'baby bass' could be scaled up to  32-inch scale, and mike's predecessor sketched it out.  the 32-inch-scale version of that shape turned out to be massive -- too hippy -- so some redesign was necessary to small it down.  we worked together to refine the shape to what you now see on my thread, which is very close to the shape of tania's bass and about the size of a small standard
 
i found the EvH bottom to be a good compromise:  there's something going on down there aesthetically, so it's more interesting to my eyes than a plain round bottom, but it's more understated than a point or an omega
 
it's not for everyone, but it might work for you too
 
as bill suggests, give yourself all the time you need to be comfortable with your choices.  i had my first conversation with susan years ago, and mica and i formally started this project over a year ago.  mike just started gluing the body last friday
 
as the design evolved over a period of months, my initially-'simple' bass experienced a bit of 'option-bloat'; i suspect that's pretty common.  that temptation is the flip side of taking your time
 
best regards
 
 
marc

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2004, 01:00:39 AM »
Hey Marc and Bill
I would like to thank you both for chiming in with some sound advise. After careful consideration and readings from both of you I found that I was settling on something that may  not have been right for me. For many years now I have enjoyed my Essence body style because of its smallish body and light weight and I still find myself very attracted to it still. I think since I was a teenager I considered the S1 to be the ultimate bass hence the Standard body style. Now that I have matured a little I think my mind was stuck in the 70's and what was considered to be the ultimate bass then and not now. I find myself truly attracted to the K body style that Bill has but did not know it was available until I saw Bills. I have totally changed directions and feel much more confident in my choices. I would like to thank both of you gentlemen for your valued advise and opinions. I have put every option that I can afford into this project and now I think I can sit down and call it quits. Bill, you have been great as always and Marc, I appreciate you stepping up to give your thoughts as well. Now all I have to do is see what all my new options are going to cost me. Once again thanks!
 
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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2004, 11:08:38 AM »
 
 
(Message edited by the_mule on May 24, 2004)
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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2004, 11:23:42 AM »
Hello Rory, not trying to interfere in your thinking process in any way, but only to show you how incredibly well the EvH 'bottom' works aesthetically on a smaller bodied instrument:
 
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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2004, 11:50:42 AM »
I started a new , so we can keep all the thoughts about it together.

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2004, 12:01:16 PM »
Mule
 
I do appreciate you showing me some other options as well as an opportunity to see your beautiful Alembic. I also think that you and Mark are correct with that body style it is a lot more suited to what I would like when I custom build Alembic #3! I think the classic body shape with a few tweaks is much more suited to my taste. I would like to thank all the members who have felt my pain and have responded with idea's and suggetions. For a short while I thought I was going to self implode from trying to make the right choices. Isn't this wonderful! I have guys from all around the world helping me make decisions that I was having trouble with. I have to say now that I do feel at peace with my final choice for now and I thank all the members and the Alembic family for having patience with me.
 
Rory

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2004, 02:27:03 PM »
Rory:  I saw your thread. Congratulations.  I can't wait to see what the K-style looks like in 5A!!  You will be a trail blazer there, for sure.  I've been thinking about quilted or flame maple for the 5 string I'm dreaming about - either in the K-style or (I'm surprised to tell you...) a large standard body style.  Either one will have a big old, traditional point on the bottom!
 
It's fun hearing you think through your options.  I can appreciate how crazy it can get.  Don't worry.  The adrenalin subsides a little after a few weeks.
 
Bill

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2004, 09:04:40 AM »
Hi Mica!
 
Can you give me an estimate on when I'm going to see this baby?
 
Bill

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2004, 04:46:58 PM »
My dad finished the calibration late Friday night. James will need to go over the final setup on Tuesday, but if all goes well with that, we should be able to ship it no later than Wednesday.  
 
(Message edited by mica on July 03, 2004)

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2004, 05:49:23 PM »
Bill
 
Are you ready? There is still time to pass a little more GAS! I am sure you will let us know when it arrives! I am so jealous!
 
Rory

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Re: Bill's Coco Bolo Custom
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2004, 12:56:20 PM »
Wheeeeeww!!!!
 
Thanks Mica, Val, Susan and Ron!!
 
I thought it was never going to happen!  For those who don't know, Ron has been forced to divert a lot of time to various emergency endevours lately, making solid time commitments (understandably) impossible for completing the final calibration.  
 
I've all but stopped calling to check on things (only weekly).  This has left me with too much time on my hands to acquire (and dump) gear.  My rig is pretty near evolved to what I think well sound best.  3 cabs:  I bit the bullet last night and bought a BagEnd INFRA 18 and M2 processor.  I'm choosing between my Acme LowB-2 and an Eden 210 XST.  Finally, I'm going to look for a superlight 212 with neomydium drivers, a 6 or 8 high mid and tweeter.  
 
I've been avoiding 4 strings lately because it just reminds me of the waiting!  When I did happen to play a 4 str Orion the other day, it was so great!  Now this news makes it all worth while.
 
More later.  Yipppeeeee!
 
Bill  
 
 Mica and Val.