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Bradley Young

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Amped hiss from computer hard drive on recording
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2005, 03:44:30 PM »
Hartmut,
 
I don't think that you have a ground loop; I think the LCD on your laptop is the culprit.
 
Try turning the LCD off-- all the laptops I've owned will turn off the screen if you close the lid, but you may wish to double check the power settings in the control panel-- some laptops will suspend when the lid is closed, and that wouldn't help.
 
Basically, start the recorder, and then turn off the LCD.  I suspect that the noise will go away, even if plugged in.
 
What I think causes it is the ballasts for the cold cathode tubes that backlight the LCD.
 
I don't think that there is much you can do other than isolation and shielding:
 
Isolation:
 
Isolate the AC mains by physically separating them.  In the US (residential), we have two 120V buses in the power system, 180 degrees out of phase, and putting them on different buses might help if you can figure out which bus is connected where in your house.  That may not help, since they share the same grounded connector.  The grounding (neutral) connectors are on different buses, but are tied to the grounding connector at the ground point (all buildings in the US have a single ground point).
 
Of course, you have 230V @ 50Hz, and I'm not sure if you have separate buses in your panel or not.  Oddly enough, Germany hasn't adopted the US electrical code (I'm kidding!).
 
Shielding:  
 
You could try to cook up a faraday cage (look up faraday cage or tempest shielding on Google-- these are both related to Van Eck Phreaking, which I referenced earlier).  You may need to figure out a way to ground the cage; this is something to talk to an electrician about, since you can be injured or killed by hooking things up to your electrical system.
 
In short, turn off the LCD while recording.  I can almost guarantee that will fix, or at least markedly improve, your issue.  Especially since you can hear windows moving and whatnot.
 
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Amped hiss from computer hard drive on recording
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2005, 04:18:32 PM »
Okay,
 
The LCD is a partial culprit-- but there is still the pulsing hiss. Hmm.
 
It sounds like a fan motor to me.  I'm not sure why it pulsates.
 
I think that you can isolate whether the fans are the culprit by seeing if the sound changes tone when the fan speed changes.
 
Most (if not all) laptops I've owned have multiple fan speeds, and may or may not be controllable in software.  The one reliable method of getting them to run at theie top setting is getting the processor HOT.  Run something that will use every CPU cycle in the machine (plug into the mains) like a benchmarking tool or advanced 3D game (Unreal 2).  Run it hot for a while (with the fans on full), and then try your recording again, with the laptop on full brightness. Compare the tones-- if it is higher pitched while the fans are full speed, then that is your culprit.
 
It might be Wi-Fi, if you have it.  Try disabling it.  It operates at 2.4GHz (802.11g/b) or 5 GHz (802.11a).
 
If the tone remains constant, then it might be the hard drive or the processor.
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2005, 12:16:45 AM »
The hum disappears when the brightness is set at the maximum - sounds like the brightness control is actually a dimmer of some sort. The type of thing that manufacturers select on grounds of the lowest price possible.
 
Definitely try to turn off the LCD. Laptops usually have a function key combination to toggle between LCD or LCD+CRT or CRT, and it should work even without a CRT connected.

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2005, 02:09:35 PM »
Adriaan,
 
The dimmer (probably Pulse Width Modulated) is causing some of the RF interference, so either all off or all on (not dimmed) should be fine.
 
The next question is whether the fans, power brick, CPU, Wi-Fi, hard drive or something else are causing the remaining interference.
 
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2005, 02:20:53 PM »
The fan is usually not running while the noise is audible, but even in times when the fan is running the noise does not change. I didn't have time to check the other components yet.
 
To me it kind of makes sense to believe that the pulsating is in connection with the display frequency as Keith already indicated, although I haven't found time to check this either.