Author Topic: 1x 12 cabs... (Read 803 times)

aircooled69 · « **on:** July 27, 2004, 07:38:46 AM »

Hi Guys,

Just considering purchasing some new cabs for my 79 alembic series 2 short scale (w graphite neck)

I am an oldskool tube head so I have purchased a Mesa Boogie Strategy 500 power amp with 2x 200w sterio output (16 tubes of tone glory in the back) I am running an old alembic FB2 pre to run this baby...

I was using a Acme low B cab but it dosn't seem to get enough volume for me with the Mesa.

I have been considering getting 2x 1x12 cabs to run a stereo setup... I have been looking at the Aguilar GS112, some DR Bass cabs and a few others.

Do any of you guys have any experiance running a stereo setup? is there anything I should be aware of to do this...

Also if anyone has suggestions on Cabs I should consider that would be great!!!

YEAH ALEMBIC!!!!

Mike
Adelaide Australia,

PS I think I have the only graphite neck S2 in Australia!!!

xlrogue6 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2004, 07:49:23 AM »

Don't know if Genz Benz has Aussie distribution, but based on my experience with the Neox 212 cab I'd say the 112 version would be worth a try. I also love my Boogie Scout 112 combo--the extension cab should be very happening.

wayne · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2004, 09:35:53 AM »

I have been extremely happy with my Bergantino HT-112. It's very clean. Seems to give me the sound of my bass, not the sound of the cabinet.

C-Ya........wayne

funky4 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2004, 02:58:16 PM »

Mike,

I don't have any experience running in Stereo, but DO run 2 of the Aguilar GS112's in my rig and have been very happy with them!!!! I run mine thru a F-1X.

Good playin.....chuckf

kmh364 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2004, 03:11:04 PM »

No worries, Mate!

Try David Eden. Their stuff is top shelf. For something exotic (without the exotic price), try Sultone cabs: Custom ordered, Hand-made from real hardwoods, oil-finished (i.e., no Tolex or Rug-wrap). You can get 'em with any driver (loudspeaker) you like. Dirt cheap and absolutely gorgeous. Bill Boekhoff @ sultone.com is awesome...he is the Alembic of cabs (without the price). Ck out the site for more info.

Cheers

bassman10096 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2004, 03:43:54 PM »

I've been very pleased with my Dr.Bass 1260. It's loaded with a neo driver, a 6 mid plus tweeter. It will handle down to the low 30 hz's and is pretty uncolored. It doesn't have quite the natural bass that my Acme LowB-2 has, but a slight EQ boost takes care of this very easily. The high and mid is similar to the Acme, because of the 3 way design. The highs are very clean and not harsh.

I also like the very light resonant signature of the 12 vs. the 10. In practical terms, find it projects both high and low end with less drop off further from the stage than either my Acme or Eden 210XST.

I just got a BagEnd S18E-I and ELF processor that I'm very busy learning. After a few early glitches (and excellent customer service by BagEnd staff), I've got it humming. The clarity and lack of resonant bumps from 95hz (the upper cut off) on down (it will go to 18hz) is unbelievable. I'm looking to pick up another ELF (INFRA) 18 to add output for larger rooms.

Which brings me back to my Dr. Bass 112...
The addition of the Dr Bass cab for high range is soooooo sweet with the ELF rig!!. I'm definitely going to add another Dr Bass 12 for more output.

I'm going to keep either the Acme or the Eden (haven't decided which yet). That way, the two Dr B's and the 210 would give me several super (and more portable) full range alternatives to the ELF set up.

I certainly have no beef with Eden's 112 (or the Aguilar either) - I liked them both. But the Dr. Bass 3 way design gives you the best of both worlds. I haven't tried an Accugroove Tri 112, but except for one less tweeter (the Tri has 2), the Dr. Bass gives you the same config as the Accugroove. Recognizing Accugrooves are very high end cabs, the comparison may be bold - but the Dr. Bass costs $400 and the A-groove over $1,000.

Bill

kmh364 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2004, 04:03:07 PM »

BTW, Bkbass (Barry) swears by Bag End cabs. Supposedly, they're based in-part or wholly on the old ELF designs that Ron Wickersham had a hand in designing.

kayo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2004, 04:36:42 PM »

I use BAG End - I love 'em!

I'm excited to hear about you new acquisition Bassman 10096 - that is my next target - the Infra M with the matched ELF 18 cab...... my buddy had this set up in Chicago back in 1999 and it just blew me away - how do you like it? What were the glitches you had with it?

Also, I have never heard of DR bass cabs.... do you have a website address?

Thanx

bassman10096 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2004, 05:25:55 AM »

The technology is a bit different in the way the ELF/INFRA processor fits in your signal chain. Plus the ELF signal needs its own power amp or amp channel. The glitches were all of my own making (forgetting to switch my power amp from parallel to stereo) and normal learning curve stuff that BagEnd's tech folks helped solve in a quick phone call. One thing that will help you immeasurably is just to know that BagEnd's practical, technical documentation and set up info for ELF/INFRA on its website is not enough to answer your questions. They took a lot of stuff off their site when they switched from the ELF to the INFRA models and never replaced it with updated material. They will Email this to you when you call them.

The sound from the ELF 18 is very clean, super strong and even and biased toward the bass side. I've been running the bass control on my F1-X at 11:00 and getting plenty of bass. I couldn't be more pleased with the performance I've gotten. The sub cabinet is very compact (same size as BE's smaller 18) and only 64 lb. So, for the size and weight of a 15, it provides bass performance that I've never seen surpassed.

I'm playing with the configuration to use with my non-ELF speakers. The ELF M2 processor lets you use the ELF strictly as a sub (running your non-ELFs directly out the preamp to their own amp channel) or, by running your whole signal through the processor, the processor provides a very smooth crossover (at 95 hz) to blend the sub with your non-ELFs. I'm surprised at how smooth and appealing the second configuration is, but still experimenting.

The Dr Bass cabs are new on the market - only a few folks I know have tried them. Marc Serio is a bassist and 20 year veteran of PA and club system design. Their website is drbasscabs.com, but is under construction (includes a price list and a few other pieces of info). I'd recommend you call him if you are interested or even curious. They are very flexible and will configure and load a cab the way you want them to.

I've been very happy with my 112 and will definitely be adding another Dr Bass 112 or switching to a 212.

Bill

David Houck · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2004, 05:45:22 AM »

Bill; if you are so inclined, could you please expand on your post. In particular, I would like to know more about your opinions on the XST. I haven't tried an XST, but was thinking that with the extended low range and slightly lighter weight, it would be a big improvement over the XLT. How does the XST's low end compare with the Acme? I would imagine the XST's high end, like the XLT, would be significantly different from the Acme. Is the Dr. Bass more like the Eden or the Acme? So, if you have the time and inclination, I would like to hear more of your findings on your cabinets.

David Houck · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2004, 05:50:23 AM »

Kayo; here is the site for Dr. Bass:
http://www.drbasscabs.com/

David Houck · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:23:33 AM »

Kevin; if I may, while commonly used, the name David Eden is, I believe, incorrect. I have searched but cannot find any info on this; so I'm going on memory. But I believe Eden, whose first name I cannot recall, but is not David, worked at one time for SWR, then started his own company. He named his speaker cab line the David series after someone else, whom I also cannot recall. Thus they are Eden David speakers rather than David Eden speakers. Hopefully, someone else can fill in more detail or can find an authoritative site.

lowlife · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:30:12 AM »

http:`www.eden-electronics.com

Small site, but descriptive enough.

Ellery (Lowlife)

David Houck · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:31:38 AM »

I've done some more searching and my above post on the Eden name appears to be incorrect. I do have a poor memory. The name of the company is Eden. The company's founder is David Nordschow. He did not work for SWR but subcontracted to build SWR's Goliath I cabs.

I little knowledge is a dangerous thing !

palembic · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2004, 06:40:21 AM »

Mmmmm ...on the logo it says David Eden. So those are in fact 2 family names???

PTBO